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re: Terrorist attack in Paris; shooting/grenades at bar & soccer stadium
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:29 pm to Hammertime
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:29 pm to Hammertime
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he government is sitting on thousands of active terrorist cells inside the US and not doing anything about them
Even if this were to be true, the US government can't just bust up the party until they have actual evidence to act on.
This isn't Soviet Russia, making people disappear on American soil isn't okay.
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:32 pm to GenesChin
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Even if this were to be true, the US government can't just bust up the party until they have actual evidence to act on.
This isn't Soviet Russia, making people disappear on American soil isn't okay.
It isn't true, but if the idea is that the government is sitting on thousands of radical Muslims and not doing anything about them, it makes more sense.
But in a lot/most cases, the "not doing anything about them" part probably still isn't true, although our ability to monitor domestic activities has certainly become more of a challenge.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 6:20 pm to Pettifogger
Listening to on the phone. Not stopping them from doing anything
Posted on 11/16/15 at 6:54 pm to Hammertime
Posted on 11/16/15 at 7:34 pm to Pettifogger
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Haha, that's not how it works.
Sure it is.
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I'm not going to go compile evidence to refute a ridiculous and entirely unsubstantiated claim.
It doesn't meet this criteria until you prove him wrong. A good start would be to ask him to provide info to backup his claims.
If you can laugh at someone have the decency to explain your counterpoint. Otherwise the joke is on you.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 7:52 pm to Pettifogger
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But in a lot/most cases, the "not doing anything about them" part probably still isn't true,
I'm pretty sure it is true. A friend of mine has alluded to such but it's one of those if I tell you I'll have to kill you things. He works on MacDill A.F.B. I suppose the real proof is in the number of times domestic terrorism comes up. The FBI has said on numerous occasions that they have been watching them.
There is nothing we can do to suspects until they do something illegal. It takes so much evidence in our judicial system that agencies are hands off until they can pull off some kind of sting. The ACLU would be all over them and the SJWs would be crying jack booted thugs.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:03 pm to Redbone
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It doesn't meet this criteria until you prove him wrong.
If you can laugh at someone have the decency to explain your counterpoint. Otherwise the joke is on you.
In what bizarre universe does this make rational sense? Someone, with no subject matter credibility I'm aware of, makes an absurd claim, and I have to prove him wrong?
You're quite self assured of both the position staked out (which is false) and the propriety of demanding evidence to rebut a false position, but I'll "have the decency to explain my counterpoint."
He's wrong because there aren't thousands of terror cells in the United States. There likely aren't hundreds. I think he means thousands of radical Muslims, which would be more accurate. To the extent there are numerous terror cells in the United States that we're aware of, we're devoting a lot of money and manpower to monitoring them. The same is true for known radical Muslims.
Of course, as another poster stated, belief in a radical ideology without action does not make one a terrorist, which rather limits what action we can take other than monitoring. It doesn't make sense to denigrate a community that does a pretty fricking good job at protecting the country, however.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:09 pm to Redbone
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There is nothing we can do to suspects until they do something illegal. It takes so much evidence in our judicial system that agencies are hands off until they can pull off some kind of sting. The ACLU would be all over them and the SJWs would be crying jack booted thugs.
While I won't challenge the frustrations encountered in pursuing potential threats in a country of laws, our domestic security apparatus does a pretty admirable job. Note that I'm not saying DHS or the DNI aren't bloated, or that DOJ doesn't have issues, etc., but our IC, DHS, NCTC and justice folks deserve plenty of credit in my experience and opinion.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:11 pm to Pettifogger
Whoever was holding that shield was a damn brave man.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:29 pm to Pettifogger
I'm in the NSA. I obviously can't post confidential facts online.
1 cell can be three guys or 20 guys. There are probably close to 500 in NYC metro alone, all different factions of Islamic terrorist.
By not doing anything, I mean we know about and are monitoring them, but aren't doing anything else to stop what they have going on. It's just a sit back and wait type of thing.
1 cell can be three guys or 20 guys. There are probably close to 500 in NYC metro alone, all different factions of Islamic terrorist.
By not doing anything, I mean we know about and are monitoring them, but aren't doing anything else to stop what they have going on. It's just a sit back and wait type of thing.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:31 pm to Hammertime
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I'm in the NSA
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by Hammertime
Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:39 pm to Hammertime
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I'm in the NSA. I obviously can't post confidential facts online.
Well shite, an NSA guy who likes to fight and is in a battle with his school for defunding the literature department, I obviously defer to you
Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:07 pm to Pettifogger
You'd be correct to do so. They actually recruited me hard based on my skills and my ability to keep secrets
Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:42 pm to Hammertime
quote:Well played
They actually recruited me hard based on my skills and my ability to keep secrets
Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:45 pm to Pettifogger
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He's wrong because there aren't thousands of terror cells in the United States. There likely aren't hundreds. I think he means thousands of radical Muslims, which would be more accurate. To the extent there are numerous terror cells in the United States that we're aware of, we're devoting a lot of money and manpower to monitoring them. The same is true for known radical Muslims.
Now see? Wasn't that easy? Much more respectful than a simple LOL.
Please forgive me for wanting to see the differing view. I wasn't sure what was funny about what he said. Thanks.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:58 pm to Pettifogger
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but our IC, DHS, NCTC and justice folks deserve plenty of credit in my experience and opinion.
Agreed. We are far more advanced than our European friends. Spying on our own people upsets a lot of folk though. It's sort of like my friend said, it's a tough call as to where the limits on spying should be and even tougher to put those lines down on paper.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:01 pm to Redbone
They'd do it anyway, so no sense in drawing lines. It really only matters with local cops
Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:16 pm to shel311
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Well played
He made it look easy.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:18 pm to beaver
Colbert called ISIS a bunch of pussies on the Late Show tonight.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:44 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
Will regret that when his head is sawed off and placed on his back
Or maybe ISIS will fold as soon as all of those pizza orders from Anon show up
Am I the only one who finds it odd that after their heads get chopped off, some people keep their original facial expressions, some people's eyes are open and looking forward, some people's eyes roll back in their head, and some people's face looks like they had a both side stroke? Chicken or egg scenario I guess
Or maybe ISIS will fold as soon as all of those pizza orders from Anon show up
Am I the only one who finds it odd that after their heads get chopped off, some people keep their original facial expressions, some people's eyes are open and looking forward, some people's eyes roll back in their head, and some people's face looks like they had a both side stroke? Chicken or egg scenario I guess
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