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re: Tell me about the Tuscaloosa Marine Shale deposit in Louisiana.

Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:49 pm to
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:49 pm to
They drilled the land next to ours back in the 80's and hit oil, but the well never went into production. They've done several seismic surveys over the years as well. Maybe one day...
Posted by lrabor3
Jena
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 1:19 pm to
With the TMS, you are dealing with high pressure and high temperature formation. Very few companies have the equipment that can handle these type of issues. plus your talking about 12,000 foot vertical with a 5,000 foot horizontal section. Not many land rigs are able to handle the weight of these types of drill strings are located in the Louisiana area. Plus your looking at $100,000 per day just in operating costs. like someone said earlier in the board, the IP has to be pretty substantial to make a good payout time on this.
Posted by ColoradoAg03
Denver, CO
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 1:24 pm to
How many zones/formations do they think are economic to produce at this point?
Posted by hardhead
stinky bayou
Member since Jun 2009
5745 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 1:42 pm to
The TMS is not economical

Goodrich has put most of their eggs in this basket, and it seems like they are "riding for the Brand" at this point. They are in a make it work or die situation.

these wells seem to come on strong, but they decline too fast. goodrich says they have a new frack design to help the clay minerals from swelling, sluffing, and plugging the well back up, but we will have to sit back and watch.

It is a late cretaceous marine deposit. It is a calcareous shale which means th hase some lime in the mostly clay depoits, which is typical for most shales. Calling it a marine shale is fairly redundant, although ther are some shales that form in deltas, most shales are marine depositions.

It is similar to the EGFD (agleford in South Texas, but the TMS is deeper, has higher temperatures, (which is hard on directional drilling and logging tools) and harder rock to drill. The pressure gradient is also higher whick requires higher pressures to frac, which breaks equipment, so it costs more.

As far as polluting drinking water, frac jobs do not do that. Three are some things that pollute surface waters in the oil and gas industry, but frac jobs do not. More than likely when something gets polluted it is a leak in a pipeline or an 18 wheeler wrecking and spilling salt. wate or oil.
Posted by lrabor3
Jena
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 1:47 pm to
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How many zones/formations do they think are economic to produce at this point?


The TMS is a single formation that stretches from Texas to Mississippi. Every area has an economic value set for some amount by the companies that are leasing the land. A lot of companies are sorta waiting for one company to figure out the best way to Drill and Complete it before they jump in. It going to take someone with a big set of cahonees to really get this thing going.
Posted by Pectus
Internet
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 1:58 pm to
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The TMS is a single formation that stretches from Texas to Mississippi.


Wrong.
Posted by lrabor3
Jena
Member since Jan 2009
250 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 2:07 pm to



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Wrong.



Really now? That is from the website itself.

Edit: The TMS formation itself becomes a different name in eastern Texas but it is the same formation that continues into Louisiana and into Mississippi. I'm not saying that all of it contains valuable resources. The highest resistivity readings are north of Baton Rouge at the border and in Mississippi with some within Central LA.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 2:13 pm
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 2:12 pm to
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The TMS is not economical


Im betting you're wrong here

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hese wells seem to come on strong, but they decline too fast. goodrich says they have a new frack design to help the clay minerals from swelling, sluffing, and plugging the well back up,


They think the gassier wells that IP @ 75% oil will not decline as fast as the other and will surpass them. Goodrich and Halcon have stated that the clay issues they were expecting havent materialized yet so thats a positive sign.

It does appear GDP and HK have both invested big into the TMS. recently the 50 well number was passed so this thing is still an infant. As long as price of oil stays above 80 a barrel they will continue to drill the TMS imo

Disclaimer- I dont know shite about the industry, stocks, geology, or anything else related to teh development of TMS and im just repeating what ive read / been told
Posted by hardhead
stinky bayou
Member since Jun 2009
5745 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 2:17 pm to
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just repeating what ive read / been told



I hope you are right. The TMS would be a great placed to work.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

The TMS is not economical


That depends on commodity price. Marsh mud is economical to produce if the price of methane is high enough.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 2:49 pm to
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The TMS would be a great placed to work.


Ther are talks of 200 wells this time next year. I know they are short on frac crews because some of the wells sit for a few weeks after being drilled before they are fracced.

The Blackstone site well (Halcon operated)on Hwy 24 between woodvile and centerville was drilled in 29 days I think. Its been running smooth and should have similar numbers to the HH well that IPed aroung 1300. While the SLC of Goodrich took around 50 something days ( This rig has been retired from the TMS.

100k a day drilling and 29 day to TD vs 50 something is huge. With gravel and sand pits being bought, service companies getting involved, etc its easy to see how cost can get down from the 15mm dollar wells to below 13.

I really hope the man camps and workers stay housed in Mississippi though. I was recently in Kansas where they are drilling the Mississippi lime and met a guy from Deridder. He said he had to come back to LA soon because he had a court case pending and they were offering him a 25 year plead deal. All I could think of was how these are the folks we'll get. The ones running from mistakes and hiding in oil fields. I know they arent all like that but just a few could turn some of these small towns to shite.

Posted by ten Hoor Hall
Member since Feb 2014
380 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 2:59 pm to
This has been brought up 1000's of times and I apologize if this isn't the thread to bring it up in, but I need to get on in o&g work, whether it's TMS or offshore or whatever.

I have no experience obviously and am new to the area in general but I also am not a criminal... I just need to go to work and as much as possible.

Any advice? TIA
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 3:07 pm to
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but I need to get on in o&g work, whether it's TMS or offshore or whatever.



quote:

I have no experience


Not sure how someone with no experience gets a start but im certain it will offshore. The internet is your friend. research companies and submit more applications than you care to. Good luck

Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
38495 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 3:08 pm to
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With the TMS, you are dealing with high pressure and high temperature formation. Very few companies have the equipment that can handle these type of issues. plus your talking about 12,000 foot vertical with a 5,000 foot horizontal section. Not many land rigs are able to handle the weight of these types of drill strings are located in the Louisiana area. Plus your looking at $100,000 per day just in operating costs. like someone said earlier in the board, the IP has to be pretty substantial to make a good payout time on this.


These are all very valid points. The cost planning and obstacles it requires to drill an HPHT well are exponentially higher.

I'm currently a focal point for an HPHT project. The costs are staggering compared to a conventional well and the demands on the people are intense. It goes far beyond the added equipment expenses. The planning is exponentially more complex and there are not a lot of us in the industry capable of organizing a successful project of this magnitude. It requires extremely detailed engineering, planning and people who possess many years of actual experience.

The huge age gap and experience between the baby boomers and the newer generation is straining our industry.

I have a both a degree and many years' of experience. I can say with certainty that to really comprehend the basics of the industry you need 5 years experience. To plan an advanced HPHT type project that number doubles.
Posted by Pectus
Internet
Member since Apr 2010
67302 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 3:09 pm to
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Really now? That is from the website itself.

Edit: The TMS formation itself becomes a different name in eastern Texas but it is the same formation that continues into Louisiana and into Mississippi. I'm not saying that all of it contains valuable resources. The highest resistivity readings are north of Baton Rouge at the border and in Mississippi with some within Central LA.




So, hopefully you now realize why that was wrong what you said.

It's not only in Louisiana/MS, sure the name is germane to the state, but the play extends all along the gulf coast and int the central part of Texas.

Also, it's not a formation, but a unit in a member. Actually, it's classified awkwardly, which makes it hard to talk about accurately across disciplines.

It's basically a member in a formation in a group. If we want to get down to semantics.


I do my work in what's called the Greenhorn Formation, which is the same thing as the Eagle Ford, which is the same thing as the Tuscaloosa Marine Shale.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 3:11 pm
Posted by lrabor3
Jena
Member since Jan 2009
250 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 3:13 pm to
Pectus

I'll count it in the loss column for myself. technicalities are always the killer.


All my work is based in central LA in the Wilcox
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 3:14 pm
Posted by Pectus
Internet
Member since Apr 2010
67302 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 3:21 pm to
quote:


All my work is based in central LA in the Wilcox





Here's a website I use to find all the formations that are named differently across the country.

LINK
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 3:22 pm to
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12,000 foot vertical with a 5,000 foot horizontal section


Try 14,500 vertical and 7000 foot horizontal in the deeper sections
Posted by lrabor3
Jena
Member since Jan 2009
250 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

Here's a website I use to find all the formations that are named differently across the country.


I was looking for this... I couldn't find it while I was wasting time between work.
Posted by ten Hoor Hall
Member since Feb 2014
380 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 3:59 pm to
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