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Teenager killed knocking on wrong door
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:06 am
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:06 am
This is a scary story for all parties involved. I'm linking this because of how so many lives can be changed in an instant. teenager shot
To be young and stupid but i used to buy beer for some younger kids not knowing that i could have been charged had something like this had happened.
To be young and stupid but i used to buy beer for some younger kids not knowing that i could have been charged had something like this had happened.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 6:11 am
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:13 am to FLObserver
If you take the time to read on down into the story it says the guy fired when one of his windows broke in.
I'd think someone was breaking in as well at that point.
quote:
Lovell initially tried to communicate with the teenager knocking on his door, prosecutors said. But then he snapped.
“When a pane of glass broke, the suspect fired a single shot, striking the victim,” according to the statement from the Hampden DA’s office
I'd think someone was breaking in as well at that point.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 6:15 am
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:15 am to Darth_Vader
This is just like that Pelicans player. Sad and all, but you play with fire and there may be consequences.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:20 am to Darth_Vader
I've had a random stranger come into my house at 3 am in the morning.. Was so weird. He looked at me then just crashed on my couch.. He had the wrong house. He was clearly intoxicated.. At first I was shocked but I quickly could tell he was no threat... So I went next door to where he meant to go and got his friends to come get him. He kept saying how he could have been shot,
He had left his truck parked in the middle of the road door open, keys, and phone in it I believe.. I'll never forget how weird it was initially seeing a guy I never knew just come in and go straight for the couch.
He had left his truck parked in the middle of the road door open, keys, and phone in it I believe.. I'll never forget how weird it was initially seeing a guy I never knew just come in and go straight for the couch.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:22 am to McCaigBro69
This story hits so many points though. 15 year old kids drinking. I know where were the parents? For all they know he could have been sleeping at a friends house. Kid knocking on the wrong door which could happen if your not familar with the area and your going to meet someone. Person could be charged who bought alcohol? I've done this. Guy was alseep and heres a knock then broken glass. Do you shoot before firing ? or do you yell i have a gun? then shoot if they proceed?
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:22 am to McCaigBro69
My best guess if how this went down...
1. Kid bangs on the door
2. Guy tries to "communicate". This tells me he probably yelled something like "who's there".
3. Note that the story says he "tried" to communicate. This leads me to believe when he asked who was at the door, there was no reply.
4. Kid keeps banging and breaks a window.
5. Guy shoots kid.
So you've got a guy in his house when a stranger who refuses to identify himself is banging on his door and breaks out a glass. What else besides home invasion is this guy supposed to think is happening? Add in the fact he's got a girl in there, his daughter or maybe a sister, wife, or GF I'm guessing, and you get a guy who is thinking only in terms of defending his home and Someone close to him.
Sad situation and I hate the kid died. But in my opinion, this homeowner should not be charged with anything.
1. Kid bangs on the door
2. Guy tries to "communicate". This tells me he probably yelled something like "who's there".
3. Note that the story says he "tried" to communicate. This leads me to believe when he asked who was at the door, there was no reply.
4. Kid keeps banging and breaks a window.
5. Guy shoots kid.
So you've got a guy in his house when a stranger who refuses to identify himself is banging on his door and breaks out a glass. What else besides home invasion is this guy supposed to think is happening? Add in the fact he's got a girl in there, his daughter or maybe a sister, wife, or GF I'm guessing, and you get a guy who is thinking only in terms of defending his home and Someone close to him.
Sad situation and I hate the kid died. But in my opinion, this homeowner should not be charged with anything.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:26 am to Darth_Vader
Read the part about Massachusetts laws regarding gun ownership/self defense. Can they make it any more vague and open to interpretation? It's now wonder people don't wtf their rights are any more.
Who determines what one persons reasonable belief is compared to another's? Someone banging on my door and breaking glass at 1 in the afternoon AFTER I already tried to communicate with them would definitely make me feel threatened. I have a wife and two kids. I don't have time to let someone actually break in and threaten me before I act
I agree with Vader. Hate to see a kid lose his life but I also don't think charges should be brought on homeowner
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Many pointed out that Massachusetts does not provide as wide protection for homeowners as other states. Massachusetts law states an occupant of a dwelling must act “in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling.”
Who determines what one persons reasonable belief is compared to another's? Someone banging on my door and breaking glass at 1 in the afternoon AFTER I already tried to communicate with them would definitely make me feel threatened. I have a wife and two kids. I don't have time to let someone actually break in and threaten me before I act
I agree with Vader. Hate to see a kid lose his life but I also don't think charges should be brought on homeowner
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 6:28 am
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:27 am to SaintLSUnAtl
Yeah, that's a pretty terrible law and should be replaced.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:28 am to beauchristopher
I walked in the wrong condo one time. Reading my phone I pressed the 2nd floor instead of the 4th. Walked down the hall to the second door on the left and went in. When I looked up everything was different and a girl got off the couch and we just stared at each other confused for a second. Told her I think I'm in the wrong condo, and we both just laughed. If she would have had a gun on her it would have gotten bad for me and she would be justified IMO
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:29 am to Darth_Vader
quote:
Sad situation and I hate the kid died. But in my opinion, this homeowner should not be charged with anything.
I disagree unless they were trying to jump through the glass or kick in the door. Could he not have seen through a window or something. If he could have he could have saw maybe they were a bunch of drunk kids before just shooting through the door. I by no means think the homeowner should be charged with murder but just shooting without knowing the situation is not the answer. Another point i guess missed is what kind of neighborhood we talking about where this toke place. If im in a high crime area i probably would pull the trigger?
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 6:36 am
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:33 am to FLObserver
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I disagree unless they were trying to jump through the glass or kick in the door. Could he not have seen through a window or something. If he could have he could have saw maybe they were a bunch of drunk kids before just shooting through the door.
Bro, I live alone with no one else to protect and I'm not waiting for someone to jump through the window before I fire out a shot in that direction.
In that situation all I'm thinking is that it's either me or the baw outside, likely only one is getting out of there.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:33 am to FLObserver
quote:
I disagree unless they were trying to jump through the glass or kick in the door. Could he not have seen through a window or something. If he could have he could have saw maybe they were a bunch of drunk kids before just shooting through the door.
Once it went from banging on the door to a window being busted in, that's when the line has been crossed and any reasonable person would think whoever is on the other side of that door has bad intentions.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 6:34 am
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:36 am to FLObserver
Seems as if the OP left an important part out of the description...the whole thing about breaking in and all
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:37 am to beauchristopher
quote:
He had left his truck parked in the middle of the road door open, keys, and phone
sounds like it wouldn't of been such a terrible thing if you had shot him.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:45 am to Chuker
I think everyone has walked into the wrong house / condo at some point during their high school or college years. One time a guy walked into our apartment sat down while we were watching MNF asked what the score was. He was in there a good 10 minutes before he realized he wasn't in the right apartment, he meant to be one floor up. We all had a good laugh his drunk arse went up the stairs.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:46 am to Spaceman Spiff
quote:I never said this. i posted a story and it said the boys broke a pane of glass. Never said anything about a break in. You need to read the story bro and not put words in my mouth.
Seems as if the OP left an important part out of the description...the whole thing about breaking in and all
I'm not saying the homeowner should be charged but the police seem to thing there is more to story than just letting the guy go. We've all done stupid stuff but this kids mistake cost him his life. Should the homeowner be held liable i guess we will see.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 6:50 am
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:54 am to TejasPete
It's pretty easy to blame the kids on being "drunk", they also could of easily been drunk and trying to break in. They may not of heard the guy and so decided to break in. Why would the break a friend's house window?
But also, people need to stop shooting through a door unless the intruder is armed and dangerous. I mean call the police, show them your gun, tell them the police are on the way, etc. Shooting someone through your front door is pushing criminal imo, you can't just shoot someone because they made a mistake and scared you.
But also, people need to stop shooting through a door unless the intruder is armed and dangerous. I mean call the police, show them your gun, tell them the police are on the way, etc. Shooting someone through your front door is pushing criminal imo, you can't just shoot someone because they made a mistake and scared you.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:56 am to baldona
quote:
But also, people need to stop shooting through a door unless the intruder is armed and dangerous. I mean call the police, show them your gun, tell them the police are on the way, etc. Shooting someone through your front door is pushing criminal imo, you can't just shoot someone because they made a mistake and scared you.
If you have a gun you better damn sure be ready to use it because if not the person who is possibly desperate enough to break in, is likely not going to give a frick if he kills you.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 7:16 am to FLObserver
Is there proof the boy knocked out the window, or is this coming from the guy who shot the kid?
By breaking out your little window after you've shot somebody is an excellent way to make it look like the kid was trying to break in.
By breaking out your little window after you've shot somebody is an excellent way to make it look like the kid was trying to break in.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 7:23 am to FLObserver
I would have to imagine that if someone were banging on my door at 1 in the afternoon, that I would view the person knocking from another window in the house before shooting blindly. That or I would be perched across from the door and the second it opened and someone stepped foot in... BAM.
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