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re: Teenage boy, dog fatally shot after animal attacks deputy in Palmdale, CA.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:43 pm to Tiger1242
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:43 pm to Tiger1242
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Cop should be able to deal with the dog (whether shooting or otherwise) without shooting a fricking person
Kid put himself in the line of fire.
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:44 pm to GEAUXmedic
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You notice this never happens with any other dog.
That's not remotely true.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:49 pm to wadewilson
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Kid put himself in the line of fire.
Has our society become so authoritarian that we blame the kid who was trying to assist the officer by subduing his pet for said officer shooting him? A couple of days ago, I tongue-in-cheek commented that we have gotten to the point where, short of killing a baby, on-duty cops in this country cannot be convicted of anything in relation to the use of force. But comments like this reinforce this opinion as reality.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:53 pm to SCLibertarian
Speaking from experience, pepper spray works wonders on dogs.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:56 pm to ATL-TIGER-732
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So a cop can not defend himself?
This is such a stupid response. He's a cop so their entire profession involves being ready to take risks above what an average person would be willing to take. So yeah they can obviously defend themselves but doesn't mean they need to save themselves from any amount of discomfort. It's a single damn dog and the owner was there too. For a cop to react that way and pull a gun on a single dog and it's not mauling a child or elderly person is completely ridiculous.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:00 pm to SCLibertarian
On the OT, yes. Cop is allowed to use deadly force for anything they even slightly perceive to be a danger to them, reasonable or not.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:00 pm to wadewilson
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Kid put himself in the line of fire.
Exactly. He had to have known that if he tried to protect the officer he would get shot.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:02 pm to Will Cover
I'll wait until I see video to agree or disagree with the shooting. If the cop goes full tard, spray and praying yes he's obviously at fault. If the cop is shooting an animal that is attacking him and the kid jumps in front, it's hard to get mad at the cop.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:03 pm to Tiger1242
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Cop should be able to deal with the dog (whether shooting or otherwise) without shooting a fricking person
13 downvotes from people who presumably thought, "Cops shouldn't be able to deal with the dog without shooting a person".
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:20 pm to DAbully
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This is such a stupid response. He's a cop so their entire profession involves being ready to take risks above what an average person would be willing to take. So yeah they can obviously defend themselves but doesn't mean they need to save themselves from any amount of discomfort.
100%
And I'm pretty pro cop as a general rule.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:21 pm to northshorebamaman
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13 downvotes from people who presumably thought, "Cops shouldn't be able to deal with the dog without shooting a person".
They have a lot on their plates, we can't add "don't shoot the person when shooting at the person's pet" to the list, it's unreasonable
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:25 pm to Pettifogger
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They have a lot on their plates, we can't add "don't shoot the person when shooting at the person's pet" to the list, it's unreasonable
Wasn't there a video a while back of a cop coaxing a pit who had gotten out and then shooting it? Like he whistled for it to come closer and then shot it? Member that being fricked up.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:34 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Serious question, can you use a tazer on a charging dog?
Yes and spray as well. As a poster mentioned before, it's not 100% guaranteed. Just like humans, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Personal expierence. Pittys are not fun to deal with even with good owners.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:38 pm to DAbully
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This is such a stupid response. He's a cop so their entire profession involves being ready to take risks above what an average person would be willing to take. So yeah they can obviously defend themselves but doesn't mean they need to save themselves from any amount of discomfort. It's a single damn dog and the owner was there too. For a cop to react that way and pull a gun on a single dog and it's not mauling a child or elderly person is completely ridiculous.
If the dog already attacked once. Yes, maybe nothing serious. What's going to stop it from attacking you further. Certain breeds are like hunting dogs. They go for your main part of your body. Neck/face/inner thigh. So overall if a 100+ dog is charging you, where previously it bit you. You wouldn't want to stop it from potentially killing or seriously injurying you?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:41 pm to SCLibertarian
Instead of passing judgement on either party young boy or cop. We wait for the footage of everyone. But regardless. Sucks for the child to have lost his life. God bless everyone involved.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:43 pm to Will Cover
Stupid and stupid....dead
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:56 pm to xxGEAUXxx
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They go for your main part of your body. Neck/face/inner thigh. So overall if a 100+ dog is charging you, where previously it bit you. You wouldn't want to stop it from potentially killing or seriously injurying you?
Again it's a single dog amongst many grown arse men. It's not a feral rabid wolf. It's about common sense and understanding your surrounding. The officer was just scared to get bit.
Like I said, cops are supposed to deal with situations like this and it's a part of their job. There a select group on the OT that can't wrap their tiny brains around that fact. They all speak from their own perspective about how they'd handle the situation and that they don't want to get bit by someone's damn dog. Deadly force states what a reasonable officer would do in the situation, not a reasonable civilian. This officer will be fired and the victim's family will be awarded millions because yet again we have a person that never deserved to be a police officer to begin with.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:14 pm to DAbully
I understand where you are coming from. But was there one officer or ten? Regardless if an animal of that size has intentions to inflict injury or death a few officers can't simply detain without some kind of force.
If the dog attacked previously once, what would stop the officer from assuming the dog would attack again. Should he attempted spray or TAZER, yes? And we don't know if he did. (Remember the media doesn't always do the officers or families justice)But to say he didn't deserve to be a cop it without seeing the fully story is ignorant.
If the dog attacked previously once, what would stop the officer from assuming the dog would attack again. Should he attempted spray or TAZER, yes? And we don't know if he did. (Remember the media doesn't always do the officers or families justice)But to say he didn't deserve to be a cop it without seeing the fully story is ignorant.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:17 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Exactly. He had to have known that if he tried to protect the officer he would get shot.
Common sense should dictate that if your aggressive dog is charging a cop with a drawn weapon you should stay back.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:19 pm to wadewilson
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Common sense should dictate that if your aggressive dog is charging a cop with a drawn weapon you should stay back.
I think it's also common sense to not fire a gun if you're uncertain of your target. There were probably several lapses of judgment here.
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