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re: Study: Cry it out method doesnt harm kids

Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:04 am to
Posted by marie antoinette
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:04 am to
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We did a 3,5,10 cry it out method


At what age did you start doing this?

Our 6 week old only wakes up once a night to eat but she sometimes doesn't go back to sleep so easily.
Posted by Wermanium
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:09 am to
Yes, let them cry it out.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:14 am to
There are studies that show the opposite, so believe what you want. I just know I talked to a guardian ad litem who would come across lots of infants who would just stop crying all together. Not because they "got over it", but because they just knew no one was going to come for them. Just a horrible thought. Never going to do it for our kids. Never. Crying is their only way of communicating, and they are going to know that we'll be there for them. It might suck for us, but whatever. We'll have plenty of time when they are older to "toughen them up".
Posted by jscrims
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:21 am to
I can't remember exactly but I think it was around 10-12 months. Your kid is 6 weeks old. You should expect to be up regularly. However, make sure they aren't getting the days and nights mixed up. That makes things difficult.

If you are lucky, you won't really start getting "great" sleep until 3 months. Everything gets better after 3 months.
Posted by marie antoinette
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:27 am to
Yeah we were mentally preparing for no sleep for a long time but then she decided to only start waking up once on her own to eat. The doctor told us it was fine as long as her input/output numbers remained the same (which it has) and she continues to gain weight.

We decided not to sleep train until she's 12 weeks if we need to but I don't mind waking up to feed her once.
Posted by ShoeBang
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:32 am to
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Not because they "got over it", but because they just knew no one was going to come for them.


Hence the 3, 5, 10 minute intervals of going in to soothe them.

Crack heads and the like let their kids cry for hours and hours. Normal people do not.
Posted by Rockbrc
Attic
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:32 am to
Hate to think they spent all that research money on something my grandma could've told them for nothing.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:34 am to
Watch the John Oliver piece on what horseshite these "studies" are that are often cited on Good Morning America, in your local paper, and generally used as clickbait.

Many are about as scientific as an OT poll, paid for by persons with a vested interest, and the press releases often spin them way beyond their results.

LINK

So be skeptical when Kathie Lee tells you: "This is interesting. A new study shows that a combination of chocolate and beer is the secret to losing weight."
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:34 am to
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No study needed. It's common sense


Yeah, and how much did this ridiculous study cost the tax payer?? $30-50M probably
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:36 am to
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We'll have plenty of time when they are older to "toughen them up


It's not about that, but to each his own.

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infants who would just stop crying all together. Not because they "got over it", but because they just knew no one was going to come for them. Just a horrible thought. Never going to do it for our kids. Never. Crying is their only way of communicating, and they are going to know that we'll be there for them.


You'll learn with your kids what cries are significant and which ones are simply for attention and fake. They're smarter than you give them credit, but you'll see that when you have your own.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:36 am to
New study out next week - cry it out method harms kids.


New study out next month - cry it out method doesn't harm kids
Posted by sicboy
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:41 am to
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You'll learn with your kids what cries are significant and which ones are simply for attention and fake. They're smarter than you give them credit, but you'll see that when you have your own.


We have a 2 year old.

I guess we've also been fortunate that he's not really a heavy crier. Never has been. When we went through our phase of sleep training, we'd space it out. First time he starts crying, give him 5 minutes. Second time 10 minutes. There were some rough nights but he sleeps right through the night now.

But yeah, we can tell when it's just "I don't want to be in bed" or "I'm mad I'm awake" (he does that a lot), or he's legit scared. Usually if he wakes up now we can wait it out and he'll put himself back down.

My wife does a lot of work with fostered and adopted children, and from hearing about the trauma a lot of them go through, I just find it hard to believe that letting them cry themselves to sleep is actually advisable. Granted, what amount of time are we talking about is the key.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:41 am to
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Crack heads and the like let their kids cry for hours and hours. Normal people do not.






We get lots of abused babies at work sadly. Always makes me sad when I see a baby that has to be by themselves in the room(cause there is no responsible family to care for the child).....and they never make a peep or seem to be upset that they are all alone. Means they are just used to being by themselves all the time.


However, like you said....letting your baby cry for a few minutes to see if they can self soothe and fall asleep is certainly not the same thing as letting a baby just cry nonstop. We've had patients on our floor that we basically raised (social cases and the baby had medical issues). In some cases the nurse may not be able to go into the room right away to soothe the baby when they cry(nurse may be with another patient). So they may cry for a couple minutes. Sometimes...when the nurse is able to go to the room...baby is already back asleep on their own.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:46 am to
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We've had patients on our floor that we basically raised (social cases and the baby had medical issues). In some cases the nurse may not be able to go into the room right away to soothe the baby when they cry(nurse may be with another patient). So they may cry for a couple minutes. Sometimes...when the nurse is able to go to the room...baby is already back asleep on their own.


We've read about orphanages overseas where there's not enough caretakers for every baby there, so a lot of them go long periods of time with no attention, so most of them grow up with attachment issues. Obviously that's an extreme case, but personal attention is very key to a baby's development.
Posted by Wermanium
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:51 am to
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I guess we've also been fortunate that he's not really a heavy crier. Never has been. When we went through our phase of sleep training, we'd space it out. First time he starts crying, give him 5 minutes. Second time 10 minutes. There were some rough nights but he sleeps right through the night now. But yeah, we can tell when it's just "I don't want to be in bed" or "I'm mad I'm awake" (he does that a lot), or he's legit scared. Usually if he wakes up now we can wait it out and he'll put himself back down.


Sounds like you do let him cry it out. I think there are different perceptions as to what that means.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
128950 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:52 am to
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there's not enough caretakers for every baby there, so a lot of them go long periods of time with no attention,


Yeah that isn't the case on our floor. I'm talking like 5, maybe 10 minutes MAX. We usually keep the doors to those rooms open so we can hear if the baby cries. If the nurse for the baby is tied up in another room...another nurse will usually hear the baby cry and go in there. We all know which of our patients are the ones with no family in the room.




I always hear horror stories about those poor babies in overseas orphanages basically stuck in cribs so long with not much attention....that they can't even meet basic milestones at the ages they should(rolling over, sitting up, crawling, walking, etc).
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:55 am to
Both of my boys slept all night - never an issue.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:58 am to
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I don't care of it does cause emotional problems. I'm tired dammit.


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Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:00 am to
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I just find it hard to believe that letting them cry themselves to sleep is actually advisable. Granted, what amount of time are we talking about is the key.


As you already pointed out, it depends not the cry.

My daughter cries periodically at bed time. She's 21 months old. 80% of the time it is the inconvenient whine of having to go to bed, but sometimes she gets herself worked up to the point where we go get her and calm her down. I mean if they're crying vigorously they'll give themselves a headache just like an adult would, so that makes the problem worse.

I think we've found a good balance of when it is okay to get her and when she needs to stay in bed, and I don't think we've developed any bad habits as a result because most of the time she goes to bed without incident.

I shared this blog post last time we had a young child parenting thread and I'd encourage anyone with kids or those expecting to take a few minutes to read it. I think it does a nice job putting things into perspective - LINK
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:01 am to
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Sounds like you do let him cry it out. I think there are different perceptions as to what that means.


There's the extreme view of it, I know. I don't think you should run in right away when they start fussing, but you don't just stick them in their crib and let them cry until they fall asleep. So whatever that makes me...
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