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re: Spinoff: Russia military ascendance. Caspian Fleet bombing Aleppo.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 12:44 am to boosiebadazz
Posted on 10/8/16 at 12:44 am to boosiebadazz
We need the Bronze Age oligarchies worse than they need us. The end of the petrodollar is the end of the US and UK financial hegemony as well. Without Saudi oil and New York/London banks, what do we have left? We have a giant arse military, but what are we going to do with it? That's why it's so disturbing the way Russia is projecting in the ME.
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Posted on 10/8/16 at 12:52 am to PhilipMarlowe
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Surely there's a Russia board by now right? A safe space where Putin Cucks can share e-bj's and bow down to mother Russia?
Dumb comment,
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:00 am to LSUTigersVCURams
I'm going to need you to educate me more on why we need them more than they need us. I meant Bronze Age oligarchies speaking of the Saudi royal family...
But What does Russia, and more importantly Russian financial markets and the safety and security of the rule of law relative to making investment decisions, have on the United States? Capital will still flow to the US because it is the oldest and safest investment, relatively speaking.
I guess I just need more undserstanding of the petrodollar, but more importantly, what the alternatives are to the petrodollar...?
But What does Russia, and more importantly Russian financial markets and the safety and security of the rule of law relative to making investment decisions, have on the United States? Capital will still flow to the US because it is the oldest and safest investment, relatively speaking.
I guess I just need more undserstanding of the petrodollar, but more importantly, what the alternatives are to the petrodollar...?
This post was edited on 10/8/16 at 1:03 am
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:23 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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Currently, Russia is sending cruise missiles into Aleppo from the Caspian Sea almost 1000 miles over Iranian and Iraqi airspace. Now realize they have a significant naval presence in the Black Sea as well especially since taking over Crimea, and have even been sending warships to the fricking Mediterranean where they have been building up their naval base in Tartatus, Syria, most likely to bomb what not so long ago used to be called the "US-backed rebels" in Aleppo. They are well on their way to challenging us for control of the Middle East and the entire Eurasian landmass. Let that sink in. Thanks, Obama.
As much as I dislike Obama domestically, so what? You mean to tell me that Russia wishes to improve their shitastic economy and geopolitical positioning? So what? This only negatively affects the U.S. if you believe it is our God given right and duty to rule and dictate the globe.
The Russians are doing what any rational person could have predicted. Ensuring their regional national interests.
This poses no direct threat to American security. American policy of combating Russian "resurgence" at every step only fuels unnecessary international conflict. That the U.S. thinks it's our business to tell the Syrians how they should be governed is our own arrogant, interventionist narcissism.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:27 am to boosiebadazz
Well you were basically right when you compared the system to the owe the bank a dollar the bank owns you, owe the bank a trillion you own the bank analogy. Hundreds of billions of petrodollars recycled annually are keeping the financial systems of the U.S. and Britain afloat. The alternative is the Chinese Yuan backed by a Russian and Chinese economic hegemony over Eurasia, with the HUGE Chinese middle class consuming goods manufactured using Gazprom gas and driving economic growth for a century. Iran and Turkey are already completely on board, as will be the EU when push comes to shove because they need Russia's oil above all and he Germans and French have always hated the US and UK at the end of the day.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:31 am to ChewyDante
I don't disagree with any of that, but to the extent that geopolitics is a zero sum game, the chess board is not setting up well for the US as a world power in the 21st century. Eiher that or it's setting up for a world war. Neither option is great.
This post was edited on 10/8/16 at 1:33 am
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:32 am to LSUTigersVCURams
quote:Right up there with your belief that Elon Musk smokes crack and is dumb enough to admit it on Twitter.
They are well on their way to challenging us for control of the Middle East and the entire Eurasian landmass
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:33 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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I would be fine if we gave them the Middle East, but let's quit wasting trillions and trillions of dollars there if that is in fact our strategy.
Or...engage in cooperation.
Again, this seems to be a foreign concept to most Americans in the post-Cold War age, but we can SHARE influence with other great powers in unstable regions like the ME. But it requires us to first acknowledge that other powers have equal rights and interests in these regions.
This is a huge first step to ensuring cooperation, stability, and peace amongst the world's preeminent powers.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:33 am to StrongBackWeakMind
Ha! I don't actually think Elon Musk smokes crack, but I also don't think he will ever make it to Mars.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:34 am to LSUTigersVCURams
But wouldn't that support the pivot to Asia so that we can dictate the terms of development?
You're absolutely right in that Russia and China are our biggest threats and they are they biggest threat if they can't truly present a unified front.
However, delve into the numbers of the Chinese economy and the Russian economy. I don't think those middle classes are developing (and sustaining) anytime soon. Especially if we can remove toys from the sandbox and really let the military and financial spooks loose on both the Russian and Chinese economies.
But the more time and resources we waste on motherfricking Saudi Arabia is less we have to address the Chinese in the Pacific. That's where my generation's battle will be fought
You're absolutely right in that Russia and China are our biggest threats and they are they biggest threat if they can't truly present a unified front.
However, delve into the numbers of the Chinese economy and the Russian economy. I don't think those middle classes are developing (and sustaining) anytime soon. Especially if we can remove toys from the sandbox and really let the military and financial spooks loose on both the Russian and Chinese economies.
But the more time and resources we waste on motherfricking Saudi Arabia is less we have to address the Chinese in the Pacific. That's where my generation's battle will be fought
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:36 am to boosiebadazz
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Is your butthole really puckering over cruise missiles from a ship? Welcome to 1985, bro.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:37 am to ChewyDante
I am all for peace and cooperation. That would of course be the best case scenario.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:37 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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I don't disagree with any of that, but to the extent that geopolitics is a zero sum game, the chess board is not setting up well for the US as a world power in the 21st century. Eiher that or it's setting up for a world war. Neither option is great.
I reject that it is zero sum. If you believe it is zero sum then war is always inevitable. If you believe in a multipolar world and in the concept of international reciprocity then likelihood of war dramatically lessens.
Part of America's problem is that if you don't reflect the political ideals we do, we refuse to treat you as a legitimate state. This is a facilitator of unnecessary conflict IMO.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:39 am to boosiebadazz
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But the more time and resources we waste on motherfricking Saudi Arabia is less we have to address the Chinese in the Pacific. That's where my generation's battle will be fought
Yes, but that's the whole point. We need Saudi's oil and we need their money. Our economic and financial systems depend on it. It's a bad situation and one that the Russians are taking advantage of.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:45 am to LSUTigersVCURams
It's time that we recognize the Russians as something other than the USSR. They are rivals but not enemies. We have common interests. Most certainly we have the common interest of not going to war with each other. It simply requires a little mutual respect.
Our biggest problem, and it permeates both our major political parties, is that we tend to believe that we are the sole arbiters of what determines a legitimate government. We will never have stable international relations with this attitude IMO.
Our biggest problem, and it permeates both our major political parties, is that we tend to believe that we are the sole arbiters of what determines a legitimate government. We will never have stable international relations with this attitude IMO.
This post was edited on 10/8/16 at 1:47 am
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:58 am to boosiebadazz
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But the more time and resources we waste on motherfricking Saudi Arabia is less we have to address the Chinese in the Pacific. That's where my generation's battle will be fought
The problem, IMO, is that U.S. still has this attitude that it's 1963 and it's OUR right and responsibility to control these regions. The world changes and we need to understand that we need to step back and allow these nations their rightful place in the world. It will benefit us all. I truly believe we have been unnaturally influenced by the Cold War, in which we rationally and necessarily took on a global hegemonic role. Just like a government entity, when our role has been completed, we have a very difficult time figuring out a new role for that entity or coming to the recognition that that entity's purpose has been fulfilled and now needs to be liquidated.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 5:14 am to LSUTigersVCURams
More power to Russia.
Non matter how bad our navy is we have a weak president.
Russia came to show their might while our president and SJW will has tag people thinking this will stop them. These guys are coming to fight a war not listen to speeches about how bad they are.
Non matter how bad our navy is we have a weak president.
Russia came to show their might while our president and SJW will has tag people thinking this will stop them. These guys are coming to fight a war not listen to speeches about how bad they are.
This post was edited on 10/8/16 at 5:15 am
Posted on 10/8/16 at 5:41 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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Russia military ascendance
Posted on 10/8/16 at 6:50 am to LSUTigersVCURams
Russia is also broke. Why the frick do we need to compete for anything in the middle East? We need to get the frick out of there.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 6:55 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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They are well on their way to challenging us for control of the Middle East and the entire Eurasian landmass. Let that sink in. Thanks, Obama.
Let them have it. With no problems.
I'm tired of the US being the globe's defense force. Let Russia take over the middle east. Good luck to them. They can deal with a the bullshite that follows it. I'd call Putin and tell him to do whatever he wants. We're happy to continue to do business with whoever wins at the end of his war campaign.
It's time to let that area of the world sort itself out.
We have so many fricking problems in this country we cannot waste time and resources worrying about the rest of the world anymore.
This post was edited on 10/8/16 at 6:57 am
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