- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Spinoff question from the Rant, re Academics vs Athletics
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:17 am
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:17 am
How many here would be happier if your school of choice spun off its athletic program into a separate entity. That way you would be able to root for your state's designated semipro sports franchise without having to think about that annoying college always begging for money.
Because that's what I infer from a lot of posters around here. A lot of you don't seem to give a flying frick about LSU as a university. Who needs book learnin'?
Because that's what I infer from a lot of posters around here. A lot of you don't seem to give a flying frick about LSU as a university. Who needs book learnin'?
7
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:31 am to Jim Rockford
Well I dont go to LSU. However, from my experiences at both Tech and SUBR , I can see that this "sports only" mentality is quite common.
I know that athletics brings in a huge amount of money, but I do feel that people tend to forget the goal of university.
I figured it comes from escapism, people trying to push off the fact they are in an unmarketable subject or other life problem. And of course there are always those who just LOVE recreation as a past time. Some people simply want to bond with their friends/family etc.
As far as a separation of departments, I think that sports (especially LSU) should have its own designated department and operate independent of LSU while still attribute donations to LSU (similar to SUBR and the Law School).
Posted on 12/17/15 at 5:11 am to Jim Rockford
If I gave a shite about academics, I'd support Harvard or Yale. I went to LSU for football, baseball, the party and the girls. If I really wanted an education I'd have chosen a school out of state or I'd have gone to Tulane.
Now shut up and go win another championship in something.
Now shut up and go win another championship in something.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 5:12 am to Jim Rockford
Alot of people care about LSU. The problem is that the academic side is horribly mismanaged. As long as tenured professors make cushy 6-figure salaries just to teach two courses each year, I won't support more tax dollars going towards academics. I like that athletics are tied to the university, but I can be critical of the academic side seperately from the athletic side.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 6:15 am to Grooler
quote:
Grooler
Don't get into all those weeds because the question is simple, are the athletes also at LSU for an education? I'd say 10-20% on the big three men's teams. The less glamorous sports are higher.
It's a good question because the universities are running a sports league and that wasn't the original intent. The schools that can afford to survive don't deal with bringing the dead weight of 250 non students onto the campus
Posted on 12/17/15 at 6:47 am to Grooler
quote:
As long as tenured professors make cushy 6-figure salaries just to teach two courses each year, I won't support more tax dollars going towards academics. I like that athletics are tied to the university, but I can be critical of the academic side seperately from the athletic side.
Yeah. Research, advising, and curriculum planning is not something these professors do...
Posted on 12/17/15 at 6:51 am to Jim Rockford
Posted on 12/17/15 at 7:34 am to Pectus
Sure, a handful of hardworking professors produce research. Advising is not work. And after planning a curriculum one time, it might never be updated again for the rest of the instructor's career. If a professor does all 3, I have no problem paying them. But that type of professor is more the exception.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 7:39 am to Jim Rockford
Yes. A lot of these athletic programs are fiscally separate and it is pointed out that athletics gives back to the university.
HOWEVER, the university and stare still ultimately owns the rights to their own brand and in most cases they could get MORE amines back by selling their football programs outright to the highest bidder.
It is for this reason that you could say that academics still subsidizes football even when some money is flowing back.
HOWEVER, the university and stare still ultimately owns the rights to their own brand and in most cases they could get MORE amines back by selling their football programs outright to the highest bidder.
It is for this reason that you could say that academics still subsidizes football even when some money is flowing back.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 7:48 am to Grooler
quote:
Sure, a handful of hardworking professors produce research. Advising is not work. And after planning a curriculum one time, it might never be updated again for the rest of the instructor's career. If a professor does all 3, I have no problem paying them. But that type of professor is more the exception.
You weren't a science or engineering major, were you?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 8:08 am to The Easter Bunny
The reality is that the most bloated salaries in a flagship university belong to the athletic department. If anyone is going to accuse a university of financial mismanagement, it really begins with the athletic department, where the majority of schools find creative ways to bleed money despite huge windfalls in cash through tv deals. Auburn, for example, is operating at a 16 million dollar deficit.
LSU to its credit is one of the few schools making money off it's athletics.
At some point, there will be a free market argument, but that of course is ridiculous because the only thing that's about as free market as big time college athletics is the Pyongyang economy.
Jim, to go back to your question. A lot of people either didn't go to LSU or just went there to party. Until very recently, half of LSU students didn't graduate, so they aren't going to be loyal to the academic side of the institution.
LSU to its credit is one of the few schools making money off it's athletics.
At some point, there will be a free market argument, but that of course is ridiculous because the only thing that's about as free market as big time college athletics is the Pyongyang economy.
Jim, to go back to your question. A lot of people either didn't go to LSU or just went there to party. Until very recently, half of LSU students didn't graduate, so they aren't going to be loyal to the academic side of the institution.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 8:26 am to Jim Rockford
It will sound contradictory, but while I love college sports, I don't really believe universities should be in the business of sports.
Now, this is a perfect-world, will-never-happen scenario. You know it, and I know it. But to me, universities should focus on teaching and learning.
Sports is a whole other animal, and I think the professional sports leagues should be in the business of developing its own talent. If you want to play, you can sign up for the system at an early age and focus your energy on becoming the best athlete you can be. No need to do a sideshow to keep up appearances regarding academics. And you get paid while you are part of the system.
Academics doesn't need to be slowing down sports, and sports doesn't need to be taxing universities.
But the system we have is what we have. I just wish it was different, that's all.
Now, this is a perfect-world, will-never-happen scenario. You know it, and I know it. But to me, universities should focus on teaching and learning.
Sports is a whole other animal, and I think the professional sports leagues should be in the business of developing its own talent. If you want to play, you can sign up for the system at an early age and focus your energy on becoming the best athlete you can be. No need to do a sideshow to keep up appearances regarding academics. And you get paid while you are part of the system.
Academics doesn't need to be slowing down sports, and sports doesn't need to be taxing universities.
But the system we have is what we have. I just wish it was different, that's all.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 8:28 am to SpqrTiger
I generally agree with what you're saying, and I'm a bigger college sports fan than a pro sports fan, as well.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 8:34 am to Jim Rockford
Lsu is the southern law school of Texas
Page 1 of 1
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News