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re: Space Shuttle was a colossal waste of money
Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:02 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:02 pm to DavidTheGnome
Free falling into the ocean? What's to improve on that. When I worked in aerospace we did some repairs on the shuttle arm. The space shuttle was a huge advancement and its a shame we didn't build on it.
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:04 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Some good technologies came out of it
That might literally be the biggest understatement ever on this board.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:13 pm to DavidTheGnome
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There was no reason to send that much mass into orbit each time just so they can fly it down.
You don't get a good solution without trying out what you haven't tried.
SpaceX is promising something very similar - they just don't fly the mass all the way to orbit.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:14 pm to SidewalkDawg
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Yep, and since I've never been to Australia either, I'm pretty god damn skeptical about its existence.
Common sense. It can't exist because it would fall off the bottom of the earth.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:27 pm to Kcrad
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Also, we could spy on Soviet satellites. To the point of sending Astronauts to Soviet satellites
Like I said... It was A Contest.... And what has come of it????
Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:29 pm to dukke v
I'm guessing you were old enough in the 80s to be able to answer that question.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:30 pm to dukke v
quote:well WE won the COLD war PUNK !!
And what has come of it????
Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:43 pm to OWLFAN86
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well WE won the COLD war PUNK !!
That's what we got for the 80's deficits.
What do we have for the $10T obama added?
an economy extremely vulnerable to the next economic shock
crumbling infrastructure
a smaller military with the same sort of problems Carter's had
What does NASA actually do now?
Since we are $20T in debt should have thrown a few hundred billion more at NASA over the last 8 years. What difference would it make being $20.5T in debt?
Of course it would have been spent on muslim outreach and global warming studies so maybe not.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:48 pm to LSUBFA83
I thought Bush scrapped the shuttle program.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:51 pm to Sparkplug#1
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Both the o-ring and shield foam that caused those
O-ring failure due to low temperature was root equipment failure.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 8:06 pm to kclsufan
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kclsufan
Should have read your post first, posted the same. Neither of which were manufactured in LA.
Interesting read of the dynamics of management and engineering and a third party debating the temperature component and the testing that had been done on the o-ring material by Marton Thiokol.
It all boiled down to NASA pressuring Thiokol into agreeing they had not spec'd it to sub-freezing temperature, but could not prove beyond certainty that it would fail at that temperature...at least that's the way I remember reading the Harvard Business Review paper on it.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 8:32 pm to OWLFAN86
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well WE won the COLD war PUNK !!
K...But the world is in A different MODE these days aren't they..................
Posted on 11/18/16 at 8:34 pm to dukke v
ARE they !!!???
Posted on 11/18/16 at 8:51 pm to IIxxBREADxxII
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Columbia didn't suffer from go fever but a freak incident. I think they should have tried a rescue attempt but I'm sure there are reasons as to why they didn't.
Not entirely correct. This was a known occurrence, but had not been "accepted" as a high risk/consequence occurrence. It should have been investigated externally. Multiple successes breed higher acceptance of risk, which is only natural. It can also lead to a "run to failure or run to higher probability" mentality that will catch-up.
A non NASA perspective that is me.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 8:59 pm to LucasP
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Pretty much anything to do with space is a waste of money. We shouldn't even have space, it doesn't do anything.
Rockets are cooler than welfare.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 9:29 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 9:33 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Space Shuttle was a colossal waste of money
I had no idea the OT gifted us with such wise and brilliant giants of the technical world.
Please continue.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 9:45 pm to larry289
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Not entirely correct. This was a known occurrence, but had not been "accepted" as a high risk/consequence occurrence. It should have been investigated externally. Multiple successes breed higher acceptance of risk, which is only natural. It can also lead to a "run to failure or run to higher probability" mentality that will catch-up.
Not entirely correct either. TPS loss was technically an "Accepted Risk" in the program prior to Columbia, along with a handful of other risks from each of the Space Shuttle Program Elements. It was just not something that had been taken as seriously, unfortunately.
After Columbia, enhancements were made to prevent foam loss, and a suite of cameras added to the vehicle to film ascent foam loss. Foam loss still occurred after the enhancements, but I cannot imagine the level of loss prior to the enhancements that were not captured on camera. I've seen old photos of Orbiters (pre-Columbia) that had come back routinely with huge gashes in the TPS tiles. As a side note, those tiles (visible in the OP's photo) had to be replaced after every mission and replaced. Hundreds of them... which is what drove program costs up (to OP's point).
Posted on 11/18/16 at 9:58 pm to DavidTheGnome
Space Shuttle was a colossal waste of money
Well I disagree with this. If it wasn't for the Space shuttle I wouldn't be able to have gone outside and point to the shuttle as it passed over at night while telling my son that "D..Did you know that that spaceship right there was able to safely get into the sky because your Dad ensured the airworthiness of the redesigned O-rings that replaced the ones used when the Challenger blew up back in 86'?"
(mic drop and walks away.... )
Well I disagree with this. If it wasn't for the Space shuttle I wouldn't be able to have gone outside and point to the shuttle as it passed over at night while telling my son that "D..Did you know that that spaceship right there was able to safely get into the sky because your Dad ensured the airworthiness of the redesigned O-rings that replaced the ones used when the Challenger blew up back in 86'?"
(mic drop and walks away.... )
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 10:20 pm
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