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Posted on 7/26/15 at 6:39 pm to WeeWee
First off, I did not say SU was an elite college. I only meant that if an elite college decided to be more selective than normal (30 acceptance to 18%, etc) then nobody would really care.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 6:42 pm to volod
The major determining factor in Southern's characteristics is that it is a HBCU. This deters pretty much all white/other students, and by default is a majority black student population.
Education isn't exactly a huge goal for many young black americans here in the south so many that attend SU aren't driven enough to finish, or lack the proper role models and guidance.
Education isn't exactly a huge goal for many young black americans here in the south so many that attend SU aren't driven enough to finish, or lack the proper role models and guidance.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 6:42 pm to member12
I believe Southern is more of a niche university. Some people love the HBCU atmosphere. Also, it gives people who need it a 2nd chance for success in life. Not everybody can be a Tulane Grad.
PS> I actually had the choice between ULL, Southern, McNeese and other learning/graduate options as well, but I decided to pursue my dream.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 6:44 pm to SabiDojo
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All elite schools are going to have better support systems, better students, and a reputation to protect. So yes, they're going to make it hard to fail.
I may be wrong, but I believe it's because attrition rates reflect negatively on universities in rankings.
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The common "graduation rate" statistic is the six year number. Basically, everyone who quits, flunks out, or is going to school part time (while possibly working full time) counts against that number. It took me 8 calendar years to get my undergraduate degree. During those 8 years, was either in college full time, part time or not enrolled, depending on my financial condition.
A couple of years after graduation, I enrolled in grad school. I was able to complete my MBA in 16 months because I was on a full scholarship. Tuition, room and meals were paid for. I just had to scrounge up beer money.
I don't know if Southern and SUNO get lumped in together, but SUNO also has a very low graduation rate. I think UNO may only be in the 20s...
They are both impacted by "non-traditional" students. You've got people who are supporting families and only taking a class or two a semester toward their degree. They're never going to graduate in under six years, but many do eventually graduate.
All elite schools are going to have better support systems, better students, and a reputation to protect. So yes, they're going to make it hard to fail.
I may be wrong, but I believe it's because attrition rates reflect negatively on universities in rankings.
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The common "graduation rate" statistic is the six year number. Basically, everyone who quits, flunks out, or is going to school part time (while possibly working full time) counts against that number. It took me 8 calendar years to get my undergraduate degree. During those 8 years, was either in college full time, part time or not enrolled, depending on my financial condition.
A couple of years after graduation, I enrolled in grad school. I was able to complete my MBA in 16 months because I was on a full scholarship. Tuition, room and meals were paid for. I just had to scrounge up beer money.
I don't know if Southern and SUNO get lumped in together, but SUNO also has a very low graduation rate. I think UNO may only be in the 20s...
They are both impacted by "non-traditional" students. You've got people who are supporting families and only taking a class or two a semester toward their degree. They're never going to graduate in under six years, but many do eventually graduate.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 6:54 pm to White Roach
Well I am proud of your persistence. I am hard worker as well. You are right in that elite schools have to keep their appearances up so that they can stay at the top.
Graduation Rates means little to me to be totally honest. Anyone can graduate with a general studies type of degree, but that does not mean they will a decent job or contribute significantly to the workforce any better than a High School graduate.
Not saying General Studies does not require hard work and effort. All I am saying is that graduation does not always equal better life. "in some cases the debt actually overweighs the value"
Posted on 7/26/15 at 6:54 pm to The Easter Bunny
A lot of majors are now seen as 5 year programs
Posted on 7/26/15 at 6:55 pm to SabiDojo
Thank you Sabi
Posted on 7/26/15 at 6:59 pm to SabiDojo
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It's almost impossible to fail at an Ivy League school once you're accepted, or so I've heard.
Yale Law School:
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First, our grading system is officially demarcated into Honors, Pass, Low Pass, and Fail, although I personally have never heard of anyone failing. But for all intents and purposes, grades are Honors or Pass, with the proportion of each doled out in any given class left almost to the complete discretion of the professor.
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So as you can see, it appears almost no one gets a "Low Pass" either. What a life!
This post was edited on 7/26/15 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 7/26/15 at 7:01 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Posted on 7/26/15 at 7:06 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
I wouldn't doubt that anyone ever really fails, especially in the arts type degrees. I think some of it goes back to the level of student enrolled, and that they are all still competing with each other so they're still trying. If you take one of the 'pass' students and send them to LSU, I'd bet they still get an A or B. The relative success doesn't mean they're just pushed along. The same material is taught at all accredited Universities.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 7:07 pm to volod
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I believe Southern is more of a niche university. Some people love the HBCU atmosphere. Also, it gives people who need it a 2nd chance for success in life
If by niche you mean only option than yes it is a niche. SU has an average ACT score of 17-18 which means there are alot some students with even less. The majority of students don't choose to attend an HBCU because they like the atmosphere they attend because that is the only place they go it. SELU has a ACT rate of 20 LINK and ULL LINK, Nicholls LINK, and ULM LINK are all 20 or above. LSU and LaTech are the 2 top tier public school universities and their average ACT is 25.6 and 21.
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Not everybody can be a Tulane Grad.
You are right there. We are aren't Jewish or from New Jersey.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 7:12 pm to volod
<----- general studies grad
This post was edited on 7/26/15 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 7/26/15 at 7:20 pm to volod
I appreciate the compliment, but I wasn't trying to blow my own horn. I did a lot of fricking off in undergraduate school, along with working and occasionally studying!
My point, however convoluted, was that staying on track to graduate in four years (or five, if you're majoring in Architecture or another five year program) is much easier if you don't have to worry about paying for it. Scholarship, generous parents, lottery winnings, whatever...
My point, however convoluted, was that staying on track to graduate in four years (or five, if you're majoring in Architecture or another five year program) is much easier if you don't have to worry about paying for it. Scholarship, generous parents, lottery winnings, whatever...
Posted on 7/26/15 at 7:34 pm to volod
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I never meant for them to be Southern bashing
With the exception of the band (which will always be 2nd to GSU) there is nothing to compliment Southern about.
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just want to be informed on why Southern has certain characteristics.
SU has those characteristics not because it wants them, but because it has to have them. You think Southern wants to be so selective to have such a low graduation rate? No they have to select them. With SU being an HBCU obviously most of its applicants are going to be african american. African American ACT takers in Louisiana have an average score of 17.0
and Southern takes alot lower than 17.0. So the reason why Southern is selective is not because they are overwhelmed with qualified applicants but because they are overwhelmed with applicants that are really really really bad.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 7:43 pm to WeeWee
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the band
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which will always be 2nd to GSU
you gotta be shiting me right?
Posted on 7/26/15 at 7:53 pm to Modern
I took one chemistry class at Southern while I worked during the summer. It was a night class. It was the freaking easiest college class I have ever taken. It was equivalent to a 7th grade chemistry class. My final average was a 99 without even studying. It was a joke.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 8:03 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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So as you can see, it appears almost no one gets a "Low Pass" either. What a life!
Yep. And if police brutality is in the news you don't have to take finals. Must be nice.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 8:25 pm to WeeWee
You gave me an idea for another thread. I dont understand all the jokes about Tulane and being "privileged". Is it really that much more elitist than La Tech or LSU.
Also, I stated at some point that I had other options for graduate study.
Also, I stated at some point that I had other options for graduate study.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 8:27 pm to WeeWee
Excuse me. Have you ever heard of the Dancing Dolls.
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