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re: Southern Law Grads: Apply or Re-take the LSAT?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 10:20 pm to rmc
Posted on 10/25/16 at 10:20 pm to rmc
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Went to law school with one who works for Jones Walker in BR. Not going to run his name out on TD. Graduated with another 5-6 who went to Big Law firms but they did fit the diversity quota - but the 2 I have kept up with have done well for themselves and seem to be competent.
So you graduated with one white male that got a job with a big firm? One out of what, 200? Seriously? So if you go to southern I guess you have to get ready to chase ambulances or work for the DA or some shite? frick that.
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 10:25 pm to Jim Smith
The OT has a horrid grasp on statistics.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 10:29 pm to Jim Smith
Just answering the question as asked.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 7:34 am to Jim Smith
So I think is going to apply and just make sure they understand he is planning on taking the LSAT again in December.
I wonder if he should also go ahead and apply to other in-State law schools? I get it his GPA and LSAT aren't stellar (143/3.0), but I know school's now days tout they look at the 'whole person' and admissions are also down as of late.
He played football at one of the better SEC schools (not LSU, unfortunately), so perhaps that will give him a leg-up?
Thoughts?
I wonder if he should also go ahead and apply to other in-State law schools? I get it his GPA and LSAT aren't stellar (143/3.0), but I know school's now days tout they look at the 'whole person' and admissions are also down as of late.
He played football at one of the better SEC schools (not LSU, unfortunately), so perhaps that will give him a leg-up?
Thoughts?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 7:39 am to King Teal
He could have won the Heisman, he will still get laughed out of every law school in the country not named Southern or Appalachian with a 143.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 7:40 am
Posted on 10/26/16 at 7:41 am to King Teal
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LSAT and GPA are both "average"
So why is he considering Law School again?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 7:44 am to King Teal
With a 143, he needs to move on from law school. It's nothing but a debt trap anyway.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 7:45 am
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:08 am to Jim Smith
There are three SULC grads working for Jones Walker, two are partners.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:17 am to NOLA Tiger
Looks like 4 SULC grads at Kean Miller (2 partners).
I'll stop there.
I'll stop there.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:35 am to NOLA Tiger
I think his celebrity as an SEC football player will help him get in. I remember we had athletes at LSU who were quite obviously there because they had played sports at LSU.
He should at least be able to get into Southern, since he didn't play at LSU and Southern feels they are in competition for King of Baton Rouge.
I wonder...
He should at least be able to get into Southern, since he didn't play at LSU and Southern feels they are in competition for King of Baton Rouge.
I wonder...
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:55 am to King Teal
Here's my $0.02:
Most important thing to know going in is that the mission for SULC is to educate people of color for the practice of law. There are plenty of SULC grads in all areas of legal practice (Big Law to government) and I call tell you that there is a segment there that passes the bar at the same rate as the other laws schools in the state. Which is important to keep the statistics where they are to maintain ABA accreditation. Southern is a HBCU so it will hold to its mission so it’s important to be a self-starter and finds ways to push yourself there.
The cases and law studied at SULC are the same as across town and down the river. You get out what you put in. SULC students can take a few classes at LSU (and vice versa), which is the best way to compare the studies. The great equalizer is the bar exam and you have the same opportunity at SULC to prepare for it as any other school.
That being said, SULC can be the scarlet letter on your resume early in your career. Maybe that’s why most end up doing plaintiff work. Like stated previously in this thread, after 5 years, I’m not sure it matters. The practice of law has changed. Big Law now has different tiers for associates and partners and it only matters what value you can add to a firm. Those firms are getting squeezed as well on fees and don’t have the margins they once did. If you can learn how to practice law, build a good book of business and provide quality legal services, you can find success in the practice of law. To that end, it will not matter where you went to law school. Although, SULC may provide a bumpier path.
Most important thing to know going in is that the mission for SULC is to educate people of color for the practice of law. There are plenty of SULC grads in all areas of legal practice (Big Law to government) and I call tell you that there is a segment there that passes the bar at the same rate as the other laws schools in the state. Which is important to keep the statistics where they are to maintain ABA accreditation. Southern is a HBCU so it will hold to its mission so it’s important to be a self-starter and finds ways to push yourself there.
The cases and law studied at SULC are the same as across town and down the river. You get out what you put in. SULC students can take a few classes at LSU (and vice versa), which is the best way to compare the studies. The great equalizer is the bar exam and you have the same opportunity at SULC to prepare for it as any other school.
That being said, SULC can be the scarlet letter on your resume early in your career. Maybe that’s why most end up doing plaintiff work. Like stated previously in this thread, after 5 years, I’m not sure it matters. The practice of law has changed. Big Law now has different tiers for associates and partners and it only matters what value you can add to a firm. Those firms are getting squeezed as well on fees and don’t have the margins they once did. If you can learn how to practice law, build a good book of business and provide quality legal services, you can find success in the practice of law. To that end, it will not matter where you went to law school. Although, SULC may provide a bumpier path.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:59 am to thegreatboudini
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That's interested. A good friend of mine did okay during undergrad at LSU in Poli Sci. Had a decent LSAT score. Got into and went Southern for law school. Now he is a partner of a firm in his home town and is kind of a baller.
So, respectfully, I disagree with you.
Some people drop out of high school and end up very successful. Doesn't mean dropping out of HS is a good idea
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:16 am to King Teal
He should probably take it again but I'd also go ahead and apply so they at least have all of your other requirements (LOR, application, etc)..once your December score comes in, they'll go off of that right away (if it's higher).
There are a bunch of prep courses to take but I don't know which is best at this point...practice is the only way to get it and one day, it just clicks. Hard to explain but that's just it...one day your mind is trained enough to pick up on what the question is exactly looking for. Personal classrooms with mandatory practice tests would be worth it but I don't think there are any around here, could be wrong though.
Lastly, I have a few friends that graduated from Southern and have very good jobs. They enjoy life because they wanted to be a lawyer.
If you want to be a lawyer, go be a lawyer, frick everyone else. Do your thing and you'll make it if you want it bad enough.
Practice test yourself to death and there's no way it won't happen.
Oh, and they don't average scores, they take the highest. You can only take the LSAT 3 times in a 2 year period but it's a rolling 2 year period from the date of the first time you took it. So basically you can take it until you pass.
Good luck!
There are a bunch of prep courses to take but I don't know which is best at this point...practice is the only way to get it and one day, it just clicks. Hard to explain but that's just it...one day your mind is trained enough to pick up on what the question is exactly looking for. Personal classrooms with mandatory practice tests would be worth it but I don't think there are any around here, could be wrong though.
Lastly, I have a few friends that graduated from Southern and have very good jobs. They enjoy life because they wanted to be a lawyer.
If you want to be a lawyer, go be a lawyer, frick everyone else. Do your thing and you'll make it if you want it bad enough.
Practice test yourself to death and there's no way it won't happen.
Oh, and they don't average scores, they take the highest. You can only take the LSAT 3 times in a 2 year period but it's a rolling 2 year period from the date of the first time you took it. So basically you can take it until you pass.
Good luck!
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:48 am to NOLA Tiger
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Looks like 4 SULC grads at Kean Miller (2 partners).
I'll stop there.
Are you serious?
Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit. I said there are very few, if any, WHITE MALES who graduated from Southern that are working at a decent law firm. Kean Miller is decent. So, what is your response? You point out that 4 Southern graduates are at Kean Miller and end by saying "I'll stop there" as if you bitch slapped me. But wait, not a single fricking Southern graduate who works at Kean Miller is a white male. Are you a fricking retard? Did you go to Southern law? As I stated early, SOME bigger firms take top minority Southern students. Yes, that's true. Any white males that went to Southern at Kean Miller? No. Jeesh. I feel like I'm dealing with my brother's children. frick.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:52 am to NOLA Tiger
They graduated from Southern in 2004, 2007, and 2008. Jones Walker has not hired a recent Southern law grad in almost fricking 10 years. So, chances of graduating from Southern and getting hired at Jones Walker are not very good, right?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:52 am to swamplynx
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I graduated from Southern last May, passed the bar the first time and have a well paying job.
Your friend will do fine in law school even with an "average" LSAT score. He just needs to know that he is going to have to put the work in to make it. He can't expect to breeze through and come out in the end with a well paying job. Gonna have to bust arse.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:59 pm to Jim Smith
There are currently and have been plenty of Southern law grads working at "decent" law firms as associates and partners, including the elusive "WHITE MALE". I'm not sure what your definition of "decent" is, but I assume it involves firms that practice in the same areas as those that you listed as examples.
I know of at least 2 attorneys that graduated from Southern that worked in Big Law for "decent" firms before moving on to smaller firms. I know another that is a IP/patent attorney that has worked for a global firm and global 15 company.
I assume you haven't practiced very long since you don't understand that it's less about the law school and more about the individual. You need to accept that there are people that look like you that went to a law school viewed to be "worse" than the one you attended and have a job viewed to be "better" than yours.
I know of at least 2 attorneys that graduated from Southern that worked in Big Law for "decent" firms before moving on to smaller firms. I know another that is a IP/patent attorney that has worked for a global firm and global 15 company.
I assume you haven't practiced very long since you don't understand that it's less about the law school and more about the individual. You need to accept that there are people that look like you that went to a law school viewed to be "worse" than the one you attended and have a job viewed to be "better" than yours.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:03 pm to NOLA Tiger
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I assume you haven't practiced very long since you don't understand that it's less about the law school and more about the individual.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:09 pm to King Teal
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just don't know if It's better for him to apply now with a 143 or wait until he's re-taken it in December.
Retake it. Retake it. For the love of God, retake it. People don't understand just how important the LSAT is. It is the difference between spending $100,000 on an education and spending $0. My wife and I both had so little student debt from law school that we were able to pay it off before the 6% or whatever interest kicked in. On the other hand I have friends, seven years after graduating, still trying to pay off loans with a monthly payment of over $1000. Retake the fricking LSAT. Get at least a 160. Take the class. Do whatever it takes. Spending a couple grand and the time now will be a huge boon for him in the future in the form of much, much less debt.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:40 pm to NOLA Tiger
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There are currently and have been plenty of Southern law grads working at "decent" law firms as associates and partners, including the elusive "WHITE MALE". I'm not sure what your definition of "decent" is, but I assume it involves firms that practice in the same areas as those that you listed as examples.
I know of at least 2 attorneys that graduated from Southern that worked in Big Law for "decent" firms before moving on to smaller firms. I know another that is a IP/patent attorney that has worked for a global firm and global 15 company.
I assume you haven't practiced very long since you don't understand that it's less about the law school and more about the individual. You need to accept that there are people that look like you that went to a law school viewed to be "worse" than the one you attended and have a job viewed to be "better" than yours.
I don't even know where to start with this bunch of bullshite.
You know three white males that went to Southern that work at decent firms? You've proved my point. Thanks. If you are a white male and want to work for a decent firm don't go to Southern -- the odds are not in your favor. This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 2:43 pm
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