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Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:48 pm to boosiebadazz
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Welcome back, Jim. Glad to see you're back here posting while on Liberty Mutual's time
Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:52 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Retake it. Retake it. For the love of God, retake it. People don't understand just how important the LSAT is. It is the difference between spending $100,000 on an education and spending $0.
Agree with this. I saved a lot of cash by getting into a decent public versus a lifetime of debt otherwise. At some point, it's not worth it to even go.
A move that paid off for me -- not sure if you can do this anymore -- I knew I melted down from pressure and canceled my score the first time. Saved my hide.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:39 pm to thegreatboudini
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You guys can shite on southern all you want, but I disagree because of my first hand example I've witnessed.
You can pull out anecdotes all you want, but for every one guy like the one you know, there are twenty who don't have jobs in law. That's why Southern is a bad law school. That and less than half their graduates can pass the fricking bar.
So don't tell me that Southern is a good enough school. You don't know what the frick you're talking about. As a practicing lawyer, I'll tell you you need to go to the best school you can for as cheaply as you can in the area you want to live. If Southern is the best you can do, it's not a deal killer, but it does put you behind the eight ball.
And also, you aren't "given" partnership, particularly only a "few years" out of law school, unless by "few years" you mean he made income partner at a big (for Louisiana) firm in five or six years, OR he has family connections that brought in a bunch of business.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:45 pm to NOLA Tiger
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I assume you haven't practiced very long since you don't understand that it's less about the law school and more about the individual.
That's cute
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:07 pm to King Teal
It has been a buyer's market for legal services for well over 2 decades now. In most places in Louisiana, it's tough to crack $70k - it ends up being a 2 class society - partners/firm owners/ballers (probably 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 of Louisiana attorneys) and a larger cohort of grunts who pay the bills either with part time ADA or PD work, grind it out as associates in firms for 8 to 10 years and, if they're lucky, make partner.
And to even get in the door of some of those places where it is possible to make it, you're going to have to be Law Review/Coif or equivalent and go to the "right" school, which varies from firm to firm.
So, my advice is - if you're going to be a monk, and make law school 100% about getting on law review and building an impressive enough resume to get picked up by a federal judge as a clerk or end up in the hallowed halls of the big name firms? Go right ahead. You'll do well.
If not, you really have to consider if practicing law is really what you want to do - because, you can make it (it's still America, after all), but the road just got tougher if you don't go all in at law school.
And to even get in the door of some of those places where it is possible to make it, you're going to have to be Law Review/Coif or equivalent and go to the "right" school, which varies from firm to firm.
So, my advice is - if you're going to be a monk, and make law school 100% about getting on law review and building an impressive enough resume to get picked up by a federal judge as a clerk or end up in the hallowed halls of the big name firms? Go right ahead. You'll do well.
If not, you really have to consider if practicing law is really what you want to do - because, you can make it (it's still America, after all), but the road just got tougher if you don't go all in at law school.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:10 pm to Jim Smith
Let me put it this way, there is a larger pool of qualified candidates from the other Louisiana law schools, but I would have no problem hiring a Southern grad. Again, I'm more focused on the person and if the person can do the work and make the firm money, law school affiliation is irrelevant.
Odds are not in your favor if you are trying to cash in on an entitlement and refuse to work hard.
Odds are not in your favor if you are trying to cash in on an entitlement and refuse to work hard.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:15 pm to Ace Midnight
Is there a database or a blog that offers what associates in different industries and classes make in Louisiana?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:16 pm to NOLA Tiger
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Let me put it this way, there is a larger pool of qualified candidates from the other Louisiana law schools, but I would have no problem hiring a Southern grad. Again, I'm more focused on the person and if the person can do the work and make the firm money, law school affiliation is irrelevant.
Odds are not in your favor if you are trying to cash in on an entitlement and refuse to work hard.
See, this is essentially meaningless drivel. Yes, of course, their are generally diamonds in the rough. There are exceptions, but we're talking odds here. I've seen Harvard law grads booted out of where I work because they weren't willing to do what it takes, but if you're being asked to make a bet on something that is not a sure thing, you're going to base that bet on factors of which you are aware. Factors that are generally proxies for success. In law, one such factor (which is not dispositive) is law school.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:19 pm to Mo Jeaux
You're right, but it really depends on what OP's friend wants to do. Defense firms and corporate transactional firms are going to look at your law school harder than family law or criminal defense or PI folks will.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:22 pm to Ace Midnight
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If not, you really have to consider if practicing law is really what you want to do - because, you can make it (it's still America, after all), but the road just got tougher if you don't go all in at law school.
I'd argue Louisiana is a much different beast than the traditional big city markets where you are either working for a big firm or barely making ends meet somewhere else.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:34 pm to SabiDojo
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I've met plenty of lawyers in New Orleans who came from non-Louisiana schools. New Orleans is a diverse city and it is where the best jobs In Louisiana are. I don't think applicants from LSU are the first on their list. Its law school is stagnant and hardly improves. In fact, as long as he passes the Louisiana bar, I think he would actually fare better in getting a job if he went to a higher ranked school no matter where it is.
Applicants from higher ranked schools get looked at a lot harder. And the culture at LSU Law isn't a very good one, imo. I would take my chances at Alabama or Georgia.
I couldn't disagree more. Nobody is going to hire an Alabama Law grad over an LSU Law grad because UA has a higher US News ranking. Considering how much more expensive it will be to pay out of state to UA or UGA, it makes zero sense to go to either of those schools if the end goal is to return to Louisiana.
If the end goal is to break into Atlanta, Charlotte, or another bigger legal market, it would probably make sense to go out of state.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:44 pm to boosiebadazz
the vast majority of southern law grads that i've been opposed to are bumbling idiots.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:46 pm to theOG
What type of practice?
I do think more SULC people are forced to hang their own shingle and just figure it out on the fly, so that could explain it. Or they are very well most likely just bumbling idiots
I do think more SULC people are forced to hang their own shingle and just figure it out on the fly, so that could explain it. Or they are very well most likely just bumbling idiots
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:48 pm to Cold Cous Cous
LSU has made the Above The Law top 50 for the past two years(over Tulane both years),which uses a much better system of ranking schools. They rank schools based on employment outcomes, alumni satisfaction, etc. instead of the pre-law school application statistics that are rendered meaningless when you show up for orientation.
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:50 pm to Cold Cous Cous
I hear southern has a better engineer program than its law center
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:10 pm to Ace Midnight
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In most places in Louisiana, it's tough to crack $70k - it ends up being a 2 class society - partners/firm owners/ballers (probably 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 of Louisiana attorneys) and a larger cohort of grunts who pay the bills either with part time ADA or PD work, grind it out as associates in firms for 8 to 10 years and, if they're lucky, make partner.
Yet somehow the OT is just brimming with a bunch of Willie Garys pulling down $500K settlements on the reg and just generally styling all over the poor old Jim Smiths of the world.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:16 pm to LoveThatMoney
Are people really arguing that ~6-12 attorneys at decent firms in NOLA/BR (often hired for specific reasons....) are a good reason for someone with a fricking 143 to go to law school?
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:37 pm to Jim Smith
steve Moore aka DA Hillar Moore's brother has a large law office on perkins. He went to Southern. While Southern's job statistics are not great you arent doomed from making a decent living as an attorney. It will just take a lot more effort and you may have to work at a solo or small town firm which is fine for a lot of people. I am at LSU law right now and have no desire to work at the "Big" law firms you keep mentioning fwiw.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:42 pm to CorporateTiger
Anyone know if volod has posted in this thread?
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