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re: Somebody please explain Landry's "school choice" plan to me like I'm 5.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:11 pm to Lickitty Split
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:11 pm to Lickitty Split
Are you in line for the funds? Those funds need to go to public schools and those crappy parents and kids held responsible for those schools and education. No private school will put up with it. Maybe some parochial schools, but not good, private schools and their donors.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:15 pm to Slippy
Total stupidity! Good private school tuition will go up to ensure the exclusivity, a bunch of fly by night private schools will pop up to cash in, public schools funding will suffer, and the state will be spending more than ever on education while getting even less for its money.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:20 pm to cssamerican
What value do we citizens receive for the funds the State spends now? Zero.
Better to give that money to parents than be wasted by the bureaucracy of Louisiana.
If we're good with Alabama, Texas and Florida passing up Louisiana educationally, then why bother funding public education at all? Those states recognize the value of parental input on education, why can't Louisiana???
Better to give that money to parents than be wasted by the bureaucracy of Louisiana.
If we're good with Alabama, Texas and Florida passing up Louisiana educationally, then why bother funding public education at all? Those states recognize the value of parental input on education, why can't Louisiana???
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:27 pm to Slippy
I read that is costs the state 18k to educate 1 kid for a year. Yes, 18 fricking k.
If the state decides to send out 5k for kids choosing private, in lieu of spending 18k to educate that child, how is it not a win for the state?
If the state decides to send out 5k for kids choosing private, in lieu of spending 18k to educate that child, how is it not a win for the state?
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:48 pm to GoIrish02
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Better to give that money to parents than be wasted by the bureaucracy of Louisiana.
The parents aren’t getting the money, private entities are the recipients of the funds.
High-quality schools may choose to raise their fees to match the state tuition supplementation, attracting parents who seek to avoid their children interacting with specific demographics in public schools. In Louisiana, many families opt for private schooling for this reason, prioritizing controlled social environments for their children.
Furthermore, entrepreneurs seeking opportunities may create private schools primarily for the purpose of accessing government funding, enrolling students from lower-income backgrounds. In cases of misconduct, these schools may expel students while retaining the allocated funds, mirroring the practices of charter schools. Some less informed parents may perceive private schools as superior simply because they are private, much like the perception of charter schools being superior to public schools in some circles.
In the end, taxpayers incur higher costs with little real gain. Parents might be misled into thinking they are getting something substantial, but the educational outcomes continue to mirror economic disparities, shaping students' success based on their economic and demographic circumstances. This bill isn’t going to change this reality.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:01 pm to blueboxer1119
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If the state decides to send out 5k for kids choosing private, in lieu of spending 18k to educate that child, how is it not a win for the state?
A simple google search showed the following:
State Louisiana
K-12 Spending $12,993 per student
Currently, there is no cost associated with students choosing private schools, but under this bill, each student opting for private education will require a minimum of $5,000 in funding from us. Additionally, as previously mentioned, students may be expelled from private schools and re-enroll in public schools, adding at least $5,000 per student in additional funding.
Many people overlook the per-student expenses, which are not evenly distributed; students with special needs incur significantly higher costs, which can distort averages. These students will continue to attend public schools, meaning the state is funding the private education of those it spends the least on.
Another aspect to consider is that public schools require consistent funding for staff and facilities, unless there is a substantial decrease in student enrollment. For instance, if a school currently has four classes in the fourth grade and 10% of students opt for private schooling, the public school hasn't lost enough students to warrant cutting staff or facility expenses. So all the money supplementing the private school is additional funding than wasn’t previously required.
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:13 pm to cssamerican
Did you ask the AI chatbot to answer that for you.
It is all about choice. If you decide to send your kid to some flyby night school then that’s your choice. If you decide to send your kid to a top tier school and your kid is intelligent, respectful and disciplined, then that’s your choice.
Private schools are more than just catholic schools. Why this board hates on Catholics is beyond me. There are Episcopalian, Baptist, non-denominational, non-religious and secular private schools. There are schools dedicated to arts and music. Others focus heavily on stem. Competition will keep costs down.
For you less informed, there are less kids on Louisiana than 2 decades ago. The competition to have these kids in a school means these schools survive. If the schools don’t perform well then they will fail. Ultimately, something with a better idea or better model will take over these schools and attract students.
If you think kids will leave Baton Rouge High to go to private school, you’re stupid. The same thing can be said with U-High and the lab school. There’s the math science and arts academy is Natchitoches and other good public schools that kids won’t leave.
It is all about choice. If you decide to send your kid to some flyby night school then that’s your choice. If you decide to send your kid to a top tier school and your kid is intelligent, respectful and disciplined, then that’s your choice.
Private schools are more than just catholic schools. Why this board hates on Catholics is beyond me. There are Episcopalian, Baptist, non-denominational, non-religious and secular private schools. There are schools dedicated to arts and music. Others focus heavily on stem. Competition will keep costs down.
For you less informed, there are less kids on Louisiana than 2 decades ago. The competition to have these kids in a school means these schools survive. If the schools don’t perform well then they will fail. Ultimately, something with a better idea or better model will take over these schools and attract students.
If you think kids will leave Baton Rouge High to go to private school, you’re stupid. The same thing can be said with U-High and the lab school. There’s the math science and arts academy is Natchitoches and other good public schools that kids won’t leave.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:16 pm to billjamin
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since the state can't get it's shite together to educate children properly
You're joking, right?
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:25 pm to cssamerican
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Currently, there is no cost associated with students choosing private schools, but under this bill, each student opting for private education will require a minimum of $5,000 in funding from us.
5k for private instead of $13k that would also be spent on that same child by the state in the public school system.
Many kids may opt for private in that scenario, which would save money for the state, no?
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:29 pm to cssamerican
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The parents aren’t getting the money, private entities are the recipients of the funds.
The parents are getting the funds and are allowed to spend it on any qualified expense.
Here's most the list. The cut off part at the bottom is dual enrollment tuition/fees.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:47 pm to Lickitty Split
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Did you ask the AI chatbot to answer that for you.
Nope, I attended private school and I have a good grasp of common sense. Having lived in Louisiana my whole life, I've witnessed this same scenario play out before.
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It is all about choice. If you decide to send your kid to some flyby night school then that’s your choice. If you decide to send your kid to a top tier school and your kid is intelligent, respectful and disciplined, then that’s your choice.
You didn't quite catch my point. Families currently sending their children to private schools won't see any savings because the schools will likely increase their fees. It's logical to expect this; if a family was already paying $13,000 for private schooling, why wouldn't they continue paying that amount even with a government subsidy? Can you think of any service that hasn't increased in cost after receiving government subsidies? The kids will be sorted just as they are now, and the outcomes will just as they are now, the difference will be tax payers just transferred a bunch of additional tax payers dollars to a bunch of private entities for the same outcomes.
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If you think kids will leave Baton Rouge High to go to private school, you’re stupid. The same thing can be said with U-High and the lab school. There’s the math science and arts academy is Natchitoches and other good public schools that kids won’t leave.
It’s interesting all the public schools mentioned here have selective enrollment. You’re correct; if my children can attend a public school and be shielded from negative influences present in typical public school environments, then why would I choose to pay for private schooling? As I mentioned before, this is a primary reason why many opt for private education.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 11:19 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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The parents are getting the funds and are allowed to spend it on any qualified expense.
That’s how they phrased it; however, those additional expenses only matter if your tuition was less than the subsidy. How often will that happen?
Posted on 4/8/24 at 11:40 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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I still think they will pass it, only partially fund it and it will be a massive shitstorm in 3 years.
Standard operating procedure is to partially fund so it doesn't work and call it a faulure
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:09 am to cssamerican
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That’s how they phrased it; however, those additional expenses only matter if your tuition was less than the subsidy. How often will that happen
There may be a significant tax advantage using a START K12 investment account to pay for tuition; $2400 is tax deductible per year and earnings are tax free if used to tuition. Then using the GATOR ESA for other qualified expenses like tutoring, a laptop, extracurriculars. The ESA funds will roll over each year according to the bill.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 5:18 am to billjamin
quote:I can guarantee you that the top public schools around BR have better teachers and are more challenging than Catholic, Dunham, Episcopal. U-High being the exception.
It's a lazy way to subsidize private school since the state can't get it's shite together to educate children properly.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 6:03 am to Lickitty Split
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Private schools are more than just catholic schools. Why this board hates on Catholics is beyond me. There are Episcopalian, Baptist, non-denominational, non-religious and secular private schools. There are schools dedicated to arts and music. Others focus heavily on stem. Competition will keep costs down.
For you less informed, there are less kids on Louisiana than 2 decades ago. The competition to have these kids in a school means these schools survive. If the schools don’t perform well then they will fail. Ultimately, something with a better idea or better model will take over these schools and attract students
You said it well.
When I first heard of it during an interview on WWL, I looked at it as Landry is pissed at the public school system, that it costs too much, and there is no motivation for the school to improve itself.
Giving the money to the parents gives them power and choice. Public schools will finally be run like a business. I always get entertained wathcing a public school board meeting with the irate parents complaining and the school board having the demeanor of "well what are you going to do about it? You are stuck in our district so you get what you get and do what we say."
It gives those parents the ability to say flip off and take their kids somewhere else.
Many public schools will go defunct.
On paper I think it is a good idea, but I agree with a previous poster that current private school families who barely make ends meet in order to protect and better their child (yes there are many PS families like this) are the ones who will suffer.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 6:37 am to blueboxer1119
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in lieu of spending 18k to educate that child, how is it not a win for the state?
The problem will be local superintendents complaining about cuts to their district funding.
The state bases the district funding on the number of students enrolled by a certain day.
If BESE and the legislature set the state funding for education at 5k per student and a district has 5k students. The state sends 25 million to the school district.
So based on those numbers, if 1,000 students decide to enroll in private school, the district would see a cut of 5 million dollars.
The rest of a district’s operating expenses are paid by local property and sales taxes. Also, some additional money may come from other sources like the federal school lunch program, federal and state grants or programs like Mckenny Vento, and the legislature for teacher stipends.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 6:47 am to Slippy
I have multiple thoughts on this.
1. Private school parents are about to get screwed if this passes. Tuition is fixing to skyrocket to keep undesirables out.
2. They do have some good public school systems in the state and they are about to get screwed if this passes.
3. It’s more of a culture problem than an education problem. If education is not a priority for a student at Belaire it will not be a priority for them wherever they go using this program. If they are a thug at Belaire, they will be a thug at a private school. They will get kicked out of the private school for being a thug, and be back at Belaire right where they started.
4. The LHSAA is fixing to have more of a headache if this passes.
1. Private school parents are about to get screwed if this passes. Tuition is fixing to skyrocket to keep undesirables out.
2. They do have some good public school systems in the state and they are about to get screwed if this passes.
3. It’s more of a culture problem than an education problem. If education is not a priority for a student at Belaire it will not be a priority for them wherever they go using this program. If they are a thug at Belaire, they will be a thug at a private school. They will get kicked out of the private school for being a thug, and be back at Belaire right where they started.
4. The LHSAA is fixing to have more of a headache if this passes.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 6:52 am to nicholastiger
quote:The top 10% are. Private school enrollment as a whole have been on the decline since 2015 or so.
the good private schools are turning people away
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:01 am to Slippy
So he admits that the state school system is so shitty that he’d rather pay for your kid to go to private school instead of investing the money to upgrade schools and give teachers raises?
Huh?
Huh?
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