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re: Russia Unveils New Main Battle Tank, Among Other Things
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:51 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:51 pm to Darth_Vader
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And the NATO of 2015 is but a shadow of the NATO of 88-89.
And the Russians are an even smaller shadow of the USSR. Yes, NATO is smaller than it used to be, but Russia is much smaller. NATO forces are now better than Russia's both quantitatively and in quality. Tactically they would get their asses kicked.
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:52 pm to 777Tiger
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I don't keep up with that shite like I used to but they were scheduled to be parked this year, things are always changing though, I worked with the CO of one of the 'hog units at Barksdale several years ago and they were transitioning to Davis-Montham at the time, which is ironically where the big bone yard is
Extension to remain active through 2016...
My favorite aircraft.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:53 pm to kingbob
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Yes, but those drones don't fly if the Russian hackers crash their software. Russia has some of the world's premier hackers under their command. Also, drones and anti-tank aircraft can't deploy if their airfields are all overrun.
lol at them hacking drones and their systems run off siprnet or higher
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There are really only 4 countries standing in their way: Poland, Germany, the UK, and the US. The Poles and Germans would fight, but if they are not ready, they could be overrun before they can put up a defense. The U.S., with a weak regime at home, may decline to commit fully enough to victory, and instead broker a peace that puts Russia in control over much of its former territory. Britain is the wild card that could cause everything to come undone for the Russians since there is a small ocean between them and Russia.
by the time they got to Germany their military would be stretched thin and their supply lines and support troops would be fighting for their lives vs the local forces.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:53 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Thats just flat out not true. Russia would be forced to defend its eastern front. If not PACAF and the Pacific Fleet would have a field day
Other than bombing places like Vladivostok, what exactly do you think we could do in the Far East that would concern the Russians enough to thwart any moves they want to make on Eastern Europe?
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:55 pm to Darth_Vader
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Other than bombing places like Vladivostok, what exactly do you think we could do in the Far East that would concern the Russians enough to thwart any moves they want to make on Eastern Europe?
They still have military bases there and resources key to their infrastructure.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:55 pm to CoachDon
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My favorite aircraft.
you know that anytime we talk about retiring something as effective as the A-10, or loosen up on details of anything, like GPS, stealth, etc., that there's some badass shite waiting in the wings
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:56 pm to Alatgr
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And the Russians are an even smaller shadow of the USSR. Yes, NATO is smaller than it used to be, but Russia is much smaller. NATO forces are now better than Russia's both quantitatively and in quality. Tactically they would get their asses kicked.
It's like some of you are totally unaware of all the cutbacks NATO went though at the end of the Cold War.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:57 pm to Darth_Vader
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Countries don't launch general invasions of other countries.
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Have you not been paying attention to Russia in the past 5-10 years?
Ok, let me rephrase.
Developed (well, pretty much developing in Russia's case) countries don't launch general invasions of other developed countries.
Small scale things like Ukraine and Georgia don't count.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:57 pm to Darth_Vader
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It's like some of you are totally unaware of all the cutbacks NATO went though at the end of the Cold War.
NATO nations still have F-16's right????
More numbers does not mean better more effective in battle.
This is modern warfare
Lets not forget the Russian military has basically zero combat experience.
Training, equipment and combat experience all favor NATO
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:58 pm to Darth_Vader
Putin has been wanting to "get the band back together" (ie: USSR) for a long time now. With the Baltics being a part of NATO, I don't see him going after them (but beefing up your military along those borders does make for a nice distraction).
The Russian economy is in freefall, my bet is that Putin is looking for cash. He's going to hold the EC's feet to the fire with oil & gas prices (Ukraine), but I believe he has plans for the Middle East (via his friends in Iran and Syria) as well.
I really don't think he'll go after the Baltics but my Aunt and Uncle are planning on moving back from Lithuania because it's getting a little too tense there for them.
The Russian economy is in freefall, my bet is that Putin is looking for cash. He's going to hold the EC's feet to the fire with oil & gas prices (Ukraine), but I believe he has plans for the Middle East (via his friends in Iran and Syria) as well.
I really don't think he'll go after the Baltics but my Aunt and Uncle are planning on moving back from Lithuania because it's getting a little too tense there for them.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:00 pm to LSUtigers111
The USS Midway? Come on dude that thing was decommed in the 90s. At least show something up to date!
New Ford Class carrier. USS Gerald Ford to be commissioned in 2016
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:01 pm to GetCocky11
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Small scale things like Ukraine and Georgia don't count.
But they do count. That is my point. They push their boundaries to secure and extend their border and they can do this one small step at a time. They have and they will continue.
Saying they don't count is naïve.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:02 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Anyone here read this book?
The Russians would get their licks in at first but NATO and the US would eventually grind their armor into the dirt.
Russian Naval and Air Forces are generations behind NATO and the US.
Those new Russian aircraft might be able to minimize their radar signature but what about infrared?
If you are accusing the Obama administration of sitting on it's hands in regards to defense, you have not read the news lately. Please see articles below:
Navy LCS
Navy Rail Gun
Navy Laser Weapon System
Air Force AGM-154
New aircraft carrier
Army Comanche
Laser guided sniper rifle
The Russians would get their licks in at first but NATO and the US would eventually grind their armor into the dirt.
Russian Naval and Air Forces are generations behind NATO and the US.
Those new Russian aircraft might be able to minimize their radar signature but what about infrared?
If you are accusing the Obama administration of sitting on it's hands in regards to defense, you have not read the news lately. Please see articles below:
Navy LCS
Navy Rail Gun
Navy Laser Weapon System
Air Force AGM-154
New aircraft carrier
Army Comanche
Laser guided sniper rifle
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:03 pm to Darth_Vader
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It's like some of you are totally unaware of all the cutbacks NATO went though at the end of the Cold War.
It's like one of you is completely unaware that the USSR broke up into a dozen or so different countries and that the Russian military has been falling apart and rusting until they finally started to try to revitalize it recently.
With an economy based on $100 a barrel oil.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:05 pm to Shamalamadingdong
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But they do count. That is my point. They push their boundaries to secure and extend their border and they can do this one small step at a time. They have and they will continue.
Saying they don't count is naïve.
and if you just look at a map pushing any farther means war and it won't be war vs Soviet era grade shite like they have.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:05 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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by the time they got to Germany their military would be stretched thin and their supply lines and support troops would be fighting for their lives vs the local forces.
Poland has a little over 100,000 active duty troops with about 1,000 tanks, 2,000 AFVs, 1,200 pieces of artillery, 200 helecopters. They have only 112 fighters.
Russia on the other hand has almost 400,000 active duty in just the army alone. As for hardware:
2,500+ tanks (almost 13,000 in reserve)
3,200+ AFVs (16,500 in reserve)
2,800+ APCs (5,000 in reserve)
5,700+ pieces of artillery
1,500+ SAM systems
and as for the Russian Air Force....
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n 2012, the Air Force was made up of:
38 fighter squadrons (7 operating MiG-29s, one operating the MiG-29S, 2 operating the MiG-29SMT, 7 operating the MiG-31, one operating the MiG-31B, 4 operating the MiG-31BM, 7 operating the Su-27P, 8 operating the Su-27SM, 1 operating the Su-27SM3 and Su-30M2, 1 operating the Su-35S, 1 operating the Su-30SM)
15 bomber squadrons (9 operating the Su-24M, 2 operating the Su-24M2, 4 operating the Su-34)
14 assault squadrons (10 operating the Su-25, 4 operating the Su-25SM)
9 intelligence squadrons (operating the Su-24MR, and various UAVs)
13 training and testbed squadrons
If Russia wanted, they could swallow Poland today.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:06 pm to Alatgr
If only US defense spending could keep up with the rest of the world. How will we ever survive the Russian onslaught?
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:08 pm to TheGasMan
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New Ford Class carrier. USS Gerald Ford to be commissioned in 2016
Would sink immediately if Russia went to war with us
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:08 pm to Darth_Vader
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Poland has a little over 100,000 active duty troops with about 1,000 tanks, 2,000 AFVs, 1,200 pieces of artillery, 200 helecopters. They have only 112 fighters.
Like I said before sure Russia would roll into Poland but they would deal with IED's and insurgent like tactics non stop on their supply lines. You also have Polish troops with real combat experience they are going against. The russian army of mostly conscripts who don't want to be there from the remote areas of the country would be in for a fight.
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Russia on the other hand has almost 400,000 active duty in just the army alone
Not all are combat arms troops.
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2,500+ tanks (almost 13,000 in reserve)
3,200+ AFVs (16,500 in reserve)
2,800+ APCs (5,000 in reserve)
5,700+ pieces of artillery
1,500+ SAM systems
and as for the Russian Air Force....
and most of it is not modernized
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If Russia wanted, they could swallow Poland today.
yes but it would be an absolutely dumb tactical decision
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:09 pm to Shamalamadingdong
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But they do count. That is my point. They push their boundaries to secure and extend their border and they can do this one small step at a time. They have and they will continue.
Saying they don't count is naïve.
No they don't count. They are fighting with friendly forces in eastern Ukraine. Notice how they have not broken out of the far east part of the country.
Georgia and Ukraine <> NATO countries
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