re: Russia sends massive boomer into Baltic

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I don't read your posts, nuclear trained homosex.

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Radioman, actually

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nuclear trained homosex.

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Fight me, fgt!!

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And only select memebers of the crew, not all of them.

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That's bullshite. If you ever crawled your gay arse out of the engine room you'd realize that the ships position is on like 20 different monitors in Control. Or you could just walk up to the quatermaster plot and look at the map.

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But (as much as I hate to admit it) our intelligence has been known to miss a few things from time to time. Let's say we've got a fast attack boat on this thing's tail but it's not received any word on any preemptive strike. All of a sudden this monster starts flooding it's missile tubes. Can our fast attack sub kill it before it can launch if there is no warning before hand and we don't know anything is going on until we hear those tubes being flooded?

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If it's already out to sea and they get the signal to launch, it's going to take a while to validate those commands and actually start a launch procedure. Those commands would likely be intercepted and the US goes to cocked pistol.

If they travel out to sea with the command already given to carry out a nuclear strike, it's likely that the US is already at cocked pistol. It probably won't make it out to sea, period.

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Probably not. They don't flood missile tubes... that's torpedo tubes. Missile tubes are pressurized. Early in the launch sequence they would open the locking ring and tube door which the fast attack would hear. Technically they could destroy the boomer at that point... but you know how the game works. They'd have to radio for permission to attack which would require them going to periscope depth, sending out a message, waiting for a reply... by that time we'd all be dead.

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The US won't ever be surprised like this though. If there's ever a reason for Russia to go nuclear all measures would be in place to destroy every submarine without hesitation.

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Probably not. They don't flood missile tubes... that's torpedo tubes. Missile tubes are pressurized. Early in the launch sequence they would open the locking ring and tube door which the fast attack would hear. Technically they could destroy the boomer at that point... but you know how the game works. They'd have to radio for permission to attack which would require them going to periscope depth, sending out a message, waiting for a reply... by that time we'd all be dead.

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Once the first missile was launched, I'd think we would snapshot a torp. They'd get a few missiles off but I doubt they'd get all 20.

If there's an elevation in DefCon, I'd assume the RoE would spell out when (tubes open) we could preemptively hit a Russian Boomer.

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If there's an elevation in DefCon, I'd assume the RoE would spell out when (tubes open) we could preemptively hit a Russian Boomer.

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Yep. This is my point. And it's also why the Akula/Typhoon isn't feared.

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Once the first missile was launched, I'd think we would snapshot a torp. They'd get a few missiles off but I doubt they'd get all 20.

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Absolutely. Like I said in my last post... once you start preps for launch it's a race against the clock.

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If they travel out to sea with the command already given to carry out a nuclear strike, it's likely that the US is already at cocked pistol. It probably won't make it out to sea, period.

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In the book I referenced earlier (Red Storm Rising), the Soviets prepositioned their boomers in protected operating areas prior to initiating any threats/attacks

The book described placing their boomers in the Black Sea and White Sea, then surrounding them with hundreds of naval mines preventing our fast attacks from following.

the book was written in consultation with US cold war planners

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Once the first missile was launched, I'd think we would snapshot a torp. They'd get a few missiles off but I doubt they'd get all 20. If there's an elevation in DefCon, I'd assume the RoE would spell out when (tubes open) we could preemptively hit a Russian Boomer.

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I did a quick Google search (CREDIT TO WIKI HERE!!!!!) and it looks like the type of ICBM these Typhoon class subs carry is the R-39 Rif ( LINK). It supposedly can carry 10 independent targetable warheads. They can also carry the successor to this missile, the RSM-56 Bulava (LINK) which carries 6 warheads with a yeld of 150KT each.

So even we kill it after it launches 2 or 3 of these things, something like 12 to as many as 30 different targets in the US will be vaporized.

BTW, here's what a 150KT warhead would do to a city like New York.
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