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replacing engine in truck
Posted on 5/30/16 at 6:54 am
Posted on 5/30/16 at 6:54 am
I have a 2013 Ram that the motor has gone out in. Dealer and multiple shops say the cam shaft is bad causing it to miss. It's to the point that it barely runs now. Dealer says that it'll be 9500 for them to install a new motor. Warranty just ran out so its all out of pocket. I can get a motor from Jasper for about 5000 and change it myself. It also comes with a 3yr/100000 mile warranty.
Anyone have any dealings with jasper engines?
Anyone have any dealings with jasper engines?
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 6:57 am to lildaddy86
I'd find a way for the truck to come up missing...then get something that's not a dodge
Posted on 5/30/16 at 6:59 am to lildaddy86
2013? Burn that sonbitch
Posted on 5/30/16 at 7:15 am to lildaddy86
That's what you get for buying a fricking Dodge.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 7:19 am to lildaddy86
if it's just a camshaft the worst case is that the valve train is fricked up. There is no way you have to replace the entire engine. You will likely have to swap:
Camshaft
pushrods
rocker arms (maybe)
valve springs (maybe)
valves (probably)
aside from that , maybe the pistons too if the valves gouged them. But to suggest you have to chuck the entire engine because the camshaft is bad is fricking stupid.
Also I'm curious of how a camshaft suddenly "goes bad"
If it's out of warranty, take it to an independent mechanic and see what they say. Stealership trying to take you for a ride.
Camshaft
pushrods
rocker arms (maybe)
valve springs (maybe)
valves (probably)
aside from that , maybe the pistons too if the valves gouged them. But to suggest you have to chuck the entire engine because the camshaft is bad is fricking stupid.
Also I'm curious of how a camshaft suddenly "goes bad"
If it's out of warranty, take it to an independent mechanic and see what they say. Stealership trying to take you for a ride.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 7:20 am to lildaddy86
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Dealer and multiple shops say the cam shaft is bad causing it to miss.
Why can't you replace the camshaft?
Posted on 5/30/16 at 7:21 am to lildaddy86
Get a brand new or reman long block and save yourself some money. You're just gonna be swapping a few parts over that you had probably already taken off already. You don't need a complete running engine
You can also have a local engine shop rework/machine your shite, but it doesn't sound like you're up to the task of completely tearing apart and building an engine
You can also have a local engine shop rework/machine your shite, but it doesn't sound like you're up to the task of completely tearing apart and building an engine
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 7:24 am
Posted on 5/30/16 at 7:54 am to lildaddy86
Jasper has a decent reputation as far as I know.They have been around a long time.
I have never used one. 5,000 bucks seems really high to me though.
I don't understand why you need to replace the whole engine,the bottom end should be fine. but maybe it lost oil pressure? Do you have an oil pressure gauge in the truck? What does it read while the truck is running?
Cam,lifters/tappets and push rods should do it otherwise.
Don't even have to pull the engine for that,unless the cam bearings are bad. I am assuming,that this isn't an OHC engine. Is it?
Pull the oil filter off carefully and have the contents analyzed. whatever metal can be found trapped in the oil filter,will tell you which parts are breaking down.
I have never used one. 5,000 bucks seems really high to me though.
I don't understand why you need to replace the whole engine,the bottom end should be fine. but maybe it lost oil pressure? Do you have an oil pressure gauge in the truck? What does it read while the truck is running?
Cam,lifters/tappets and push rods should do it otherwise.
Don't even have to pull the engine for that,unless the cam bearings are bad. I am assuming,that this isn't an OHC engine. Is it?
Pull the oil filter off carefully and have the contents analyzed. whatever metal can be found trapped in the oil filter,will tell you which parts are breaking down.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 8:01 am
Posted on 5/30/16 at 7:58 am to lildaddy86
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2013 Ram
Jesus.
Truck is 3 years old and the damn engine needs to be replaced?
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:04 am to lildaddy86
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2013 Ram that the motor has gone out in
Lolololololololol
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:04 am to Stud Bud
It happens. I saw a Toyota Tacoma at Co-part the other day 3,000 miles, bad engine. Don't know the whole story on it.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:07 am to lildaddy86
why not just replace the cam?
also, never go to the dealer for mechanic work.
also, never go to the dealer for mechanic work.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:08 am to Stud Bud
Maybe broken chain. Idk if the sensor would cause a cam to "go out". I guess it could wear, but you could just replace the cam at that point. Haven't heard of that happening on something that is only a few years old though
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:09 am to lildaddy86
How much out of warrranty are you specifically? FCA should work with you on a policy adjustment on a repair this major.
I do agree with others in here- bad cam doesn't mean catastrophic engine failure- you mentioned it still runs.
I think what's happened in our modern day that dealers are under such pressure for the shop to carry the profits of the enterprise, rebuilding major components just isn't profitable. Now it's isolate the root cause and change the part.
Unfortunately for you, cam is internal, likely has some valve train damage, at over $100/hour it's more feasable to swap engines since that's probably a 5 hour flat rate job vs. who knows what you find when you take it apart.
Ask for policy from the dealer. If not, take it to a local guy who will work the internals of the engine.
I do agree with others in here- bad cam doesn't mean catastrophic engine failure- you mentioned it still runs.
I think what's happened in our modern day that dealers are under such pressure for the shop to carry the profits of the enterprise, rebuilding major components just isn't profitable. Now it's isolate the root cause and change the part.
Unfortunately for you, cam is internal, likely has some valve train damage, at over $100/hour it's more feasable to swap engines since that's probably a 5 hour flat rate job vs. who knows what you find when you take it apart.
Ask for policy from the dealer. If not, take it to a local guy who will work the internals of the engine.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:27 am to lildaddy86
Go to autozone and get a compression check gauge. It's pretty simple to run a compression check. Pull spark plug - screw in compression gauge - spin over engine - read gauge - do the same on the next cylinder.
Run a compression check and post the results here.
Also, does it get better when it warms up? The reason I ask is that bad gas will do the same thing. It happened to my wife's vehicle. Exxon put out a LOT of bad gas. I think the mix was high in ethanol because it caused the valves to stick open. I honestly thought I had a broken camshaft, except for the fact that I had compression on cylinder 1 and 6. ( straight 6). I called the dealer to price a new engine. He was the one that told me about the bad gas. I ran a can of sea foam through my engine and it was fine.
BTW... It was easy to misdiagnose. I've been working on cars for 30 years and I thought it was a bad motor.
Run a compression check and post the results here.
Also, does it get better when it warms up? The reason I ask is that bad gas will do the same thing. It happened to my wife's vehicle. Exxon put out a LOT of bad gas. I think the mix was high in ethanol because it caused the valves to stick open. I honestly thought I had a broken camshaft, except for the fact that I had compression on cylinder 1 and 6. ( straight 6). I called the dealer to price a new engine. He was the one that told me about the bad gas. I ran a can of sea foam through my engine and it was fine.
BTW... It was easy to misdiagnose. I've been working on cars for 30 years and I thought it was a bad motor.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 8:34 am
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:28 am to subMOA
How many miles on your truck? Which motor?
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:59 am to poops_at_parties
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hat's what you get for buying a fricking Dodge
True! Wow! That is absolutely crazy they would not work with you or cover 1/2 under warranty. Come trade in and get a Toyota, ir not Dodge is fine too
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:04 am to lildaddy86
Can you make it south of Golden Meadow? Make sure the gap insurance is paid up and run that bitch into Bayou Lafourche.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:23 am to lildaddy86
I thought Dodge had a 100,000 mile warranty on engines. How far past that are you? Call Chrysler corporate and see if they can help. They may ask you to pay for extended warranty.
We had a Camry that needed a transmission a few thousand miles past warranty. 65,000 or 70,000 miles. Worked with Toyota, who covered parts and labor. I paid the taxes.
Call the manufacturer and see what they can do. Explain that them helping you would restore your faith in their product. They'll probably figure out a way to do it without replacing the whole engine.
We had a Camry that needed a transmission a few thousand miles past warranty. 65,000 or 70,000 miles. Worked with Toyota, who covered parts and labor. I paid the taxes.
Call the manufacturer and see what they can do. Explain that them helping you would restore your faith in their product. They'll probably figure out a way to do it without replacing the whole engine.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 9:31 am
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:37 am to lildaddy86
I really hope you read this post.
I recently had a Dodge truck with the V6 that developed a multiple cylinder misfire. I had everything possible replaced and diagnosed. They even replaced the computer. I eventually found a mechanic who said he has seen this before. He said the problem is the valve guides on the cylinder heads. They go bad and cause the valves to hang up thus causing a total loss of compression and the misfire. The only solution was a valve job.
I decided that I hate fricking Dodges and opted to trade it. I bought a valve conditioner oil additive and it temporarily solved the problem. It worked long enough to trade it in on a Tacoma.
I highly recommend that you try this first.
Also, if it is a bad can shaft, you do not have to replace a motor to replace the cam. It is a big job but, less than replacing the motor.
Good luck. Dishes fricking suck. Never again.
I recently had a Dodge truck with the V6 that developed a multiple cylinder misfire. I had everything possible replaced and diagnosed. They even replaced the computer. I eventually found a mechanic who said he has seen this before. He said the problem is the valve guides on the cylinder heads. They go bad and cause the valves to hang up thus causing a total loss of compression and the misfire. The only solution was a valve job.
I decided that I hate fricking Dodges and opted to trade it. I bought a valve conditioner oil additive and it temporarily solved the problem. It worked long enough to trade it in on a Tacoma.
I highly recommend that you try this first.
Also, if it is a bad can shaft, you do not have to replace a motor to replace the cam. It is a big job but, less than replacing the motor.
Good luck. Dishes fricking suck. Never again.
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