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Refilling 1 lb propane bottle from 20 lb tank

Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:30 pm
Posted by greenbean
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Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:30 pm
I read a tip about putting the 1 lb bottles in the freezer before filing (it enables more propane to enter the bottle - due to temp difference between the two). Be careful if you do this, I filled 5 1 lb bottles getting ready for this upcoming cold snap, 4 of them swelled up so much I had to discard them.
Posted by OldHickory
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2012
10602 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:31 pm to
You gotta heat the valve with a flame, dummy.
Posted by FieldEngineer
Member since Jan 2015
2124 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:31 pm to
Use a scale next time. Putting them in the freezer is just to make it go faster, while being careful not to overfill.
Posted by csorre1
Member since Apr 2010
6357 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:34 pm to
That trick is dangerous for exactly the reason you discovered. It would work if you kept the bottles in cool storage.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
65701 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:34 pm to
Use a lit match by the valve to see if the tank is full*.


















*Do NOT do this.
Posted by killedbyindians
Earth
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:37 pm to
I laughed way too hard at this.
Also don’t freeze the bottles just get them colder than your twenty lb bottle. I’ve forgotten and left one hooked up all night before and once it equalizes it’s not going to fill up any more. Never had any fear of one exploding.
This post was edited on 12/14/22 at 8:42 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:39 pm to
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Refilling 1 lb propane bottle from 20 lb tank


Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
18286 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:39 pm to
Did you never PV=nRT
Posted by Simplemaaan
Member since Sep 2007
3809 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:48 pm to
As long as they are rated for same pressure you should be good.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:54 pm to
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As long as they are rated for same pressure you should be good.




I've done it before with no problem, but these swelled up. Didn't explode or anything (may be fine?), but to the point I'd rather discard them.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90629 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:21 pm to
Turkeys can be thawed quickly in hot oil too
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
120286 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:33 pm to
Ideal gas law baw
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36074 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:43 pm to
I refill mine all the time, but never stick them in a freezer, fridge, etc

Get a digital scale.


Weigh one full, then weigh empty.

From my notes the typical one pound bottles full weighs

quote:

Propane (camping) bottle full weighs 31.3 oz


Flip the big propane tank upside down when filling.
Posted by STBTigerr
Mandeville/New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
5345 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:45 pm to
Are you sure they actually swelled up? The plastic base is covering up the rounded bottom of the cylinder so it’s able to stand up, is that what you’re seeing? I’ve done this a lot, and never had an issue. Like somebody else said, the pressure is going to stabilize once it’s full.
Posted by zippyputt
Member since Jul 2005
5773 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:47 pm to
From what I recall when I looked into this, unless it is an approved refillable tank, it is illegal to transport those on the road.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
28382 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:47 pm to
I’d worry less about maximum volume and more about not blowing your face off.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36074 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:49 pm to
quote:


Did you never PV=nRT


My high-school chemistry teacher called this perv-nert....


I'll never forget that formula,
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
28382 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:50 pm to
quote:

Turkeys can be thawed quickly in hot oil too

What a dick
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36074 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:50 pm to
quote:

From what I recall when I looked into this, unless it is an approved refillable tank, it is illegal to transport those on the road.


And how exactly would one figure out that you refilled it... unless it's busting at the seams like the OPs?
This post was edited on 12/14/22 at 10:51 pm
Posted by zippyputt
Member since Jul 2005
5773 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 7:28 am to
I have no clue, that would be a DA’s job and Plaintiff lawyer’s job when you accidentally nuke someone in a car wreck. Just relaying the info when I thought paying $3 for a new bottle was too expensive. I decided against being cheap. DOTD and OSHA Regs apply if not others.

Info from a camping website below:
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If you ever read the label on these bottles you will see that it says “Do not refill this bottle,” and “Do not transport refilled bottles.” Subject to $500,000 in fines and 5 years imprisonment.

I don’t believe the propane police are out hunting you down, but if an accident did happen and the tank was to blame, you could be in some serious trouble.
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 7:30 am
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