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RE: an ER in NBR - It appears the numbers are finally coming to light...

Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:06 pm
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:06 pm
Numbers like:

People from North BR are dying because they take longer to get to the ER in Baton Rouge now that there's no BR General or EKL! It takes two minutes longer now than it was to get to an ER!

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Earlier this year, The Advocate reported it takes ambulances two minutes longer on average to transport patients to an emergency room today than it did in 2012. Those statistics are not limited to north Baton Rouge patients, by the way. It’s a citywide average.


Whoops. I'm sure that's just a slight oversight though.

What's next...oh yeah...remember the numbers folks were throwing around?

"It will only take $3,000,000.00 to make a free-standing ER a reality in North Baton Rouge!"

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The local Champion facility has more than 40,000 square feet of unused space, which Next Health says it can turn into a satellite emergency room—provided state and local governments pony up about $6.5 million to build it, plus another $3 million in annual subsidies to keep it afloat.


So we go from 3 million to 9.5 million? The actual cost is more than triple what you lowballed us on? My b. My b. We forgot to round off, carry a few 0's. You know how it is with Common Core nowadays right?

What else? What else...Oh...Remember when they said they needed that free-standing ER to save lives? Well, about that...

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The reality of satellite emergency rooms, such as the one proposed by Next Health, is that they are not able to deliver to critically ill or severely injured patients the appropriate level of care because they don’t have the specialists on staff ready to diagnose a stroke or surgically remove a gunshot wound to the gut.


:wat?

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The Louisiana Emergency Response Network tracks this kind of information. It’s a 10-year-old state agency that coordinates care among the state’s emergency responders, and its job is to make sure critically ill and injured patients get to the nearest emergency facility that can deliver the best care. According to LERN Executive Director Paige Hargrove, there are only two circumstances under which LERN would direct EMTs to a satellite ER—when patients have a blocked airway or when they’re in cardiac arrest. Not heart attack. Cardiac arrest.


Really? Hmmm. That's an eye-opener. Go on...

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“Even if a patient was shot in the abdomen on the front steps of Champion, I would still direct them to the Lake,” she told me recently. “I’m not trying to be negative about the establishment of any kind of facility in north Baton Rouge, but I don’t want people to be confused into thinking they have a standalone emergency department that can take care of critical injuries.”


Okay, so that's not exactly reassuring for folks who are being asked to spend close to $10,000,000 in this budget climate is it?

The rest of this fairly informative article can be found here. What's surprising to me is that I think its safe to say that based on previous experience with the author's work, Steph's a pretty liberal gal for Baton Rouge's taste. IMO anyway.

This was a pretty big takedown of all that bluster coming from the Blue Ribbon Commission Crowd...
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 12:09 pm
Posted by musick
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:08 pm to
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It's two minutes longer now than it was!


I'm not reading all that shite, but two minutes is significant in an emergency situation. I wouldn't take it so lightly as an attempt to be funny.
Posted by musick
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:08 pm to
double post
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 12:09 pm
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:08 pm to
free guns to people of north baton rouge

"shoot them before they shoot you!"
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:09 pm to
Thanks, Piyush
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101915 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

Earlier this year, The Advocate reported it takes ambulances two minutes longer on average to transport patients to an emergency room today than it did in 2012. Those statistics are not limited to north Baton Rouge patients, by the way. It’s a citywide average.


Baton Rouge Traffic Is Out Of Control.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:11 pm to
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musick
quote:

I'm not reading all that shite, but two minutes is significant in an emergency situation. I wouldn't take it so lightly as an attempt to be funny.


I absolutely agree. You do realize my point wasn't to make light of that but to actually point out that the increase in time it takes to get to ER's in Baton Rouge has gone up on average 2 minutes not in North Baton Rouge...but in Baton Rouge as a WHOLE?

In other words, the stats they were using they were twisting to say was caused by the closures. In reality, those are times from all over the City-Parish to every ER in the Parish open during that time period.

They were twisting facts to fit a narrative.
Posted by musick
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:12 pm to
I guess I see that now. It seemed sarcastic the way you posted it.
Posted by unbeWEAVEable
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:14 pm to
Someone please post this to Greg Chamber's Facebook.
Posted by oVo
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:14 pm to
Just have an office for nurse practitioners open 24 hrs problem solved
Posted by meauxjeaux2
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:15 pm to
say whuh??
Posted by Puck82
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
23648 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

I'm not reading all that shite, but two minutes is significant in an emergency situation. I wouldn't take it so lightly as an attempt to be funny.


Well you should start by at least reading the highlights posted in op. It would effectively be a glorified after hours clinic.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101915 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:20 pm to
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It would effectively be a glorified after hours clinic.


Well, wasn't one of the main reasons the Mid City BR General shut down their ER is because it was being used as a glorified clinic?
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
128950 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:20 pm to
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quote:The reality of satellite emergency rooms, such as the one proposed by Next Health, is that they are not able to deliver to critically ill or severely injured patients the appropriate level of care because they don’t have the specialists on staff ready to diagnose a stroke or surgically remove a gunshot wound to the gut. :wat?



Makes sense though. A satellite emergency room isn't attached to a hospital. So no access to operating rooms. Which you need to surgically remove a bullet. As for the stroke thing....I would guess it would only be staffed with ER docs and no specialists such neurologists....that would be needed to accurately diagnose a stroke.
Posted by Puck82
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
23648 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:23 pm to
The cost doesn't justify the product
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
5990 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:26 pm to
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You do realize my point wasn't to make light of that but to actually point out that the increase in time it takes to get to ER's in Baton Rouge has gone up on average 2 minutes not in North Baton Rouge...but in Baton Rouge as a WHOLE?


If it is the entire parish though rather than just NBR, it makes the stat worse doesn't it? As a SEBR resident it wouldn't take me any longer to get to an ER today as it would have 5 years ago. So my addition to this statistic would stay the same. The NBR residents add their 1 trip plus the extra time to my stat thus diminishing their individual stat, no? If my trip takes 0 extra minutes, NBR takes 5 mins extra, our average extra time is 2.5 mins.

Or is my minimal understanding of statistics incorrect?
Posted by Parallax
Member since Feb 2016
1449 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:26 pm to
Free standing ERs are glorified Urgent Cares. They are not equipped to handle trauma or critically ill patients.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

Earlier this year, The Advocate reported it takes ambulances two minutes longer on average to transport patients to an emergency room today than it did in 2012. Those statistics are not limited to north Baton Rouge patients, by the way. It’s a citywide average.


Ya but how much is it for JUST North BR?
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
128950 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:29 pm to
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As a SEBR resident it wouldn't take me any longer to get to an ER today as it would have 5 years ago.



Yeah but how much longer will you have to wait now(assuming you are not considered a red trauma)?
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:31 pm to
I guess my whole point here is that I was actually supportive of a free-standing ER, but if it can't deliver what the residents of NBR really need-and I feel that they need to be able to have something to deal with traumatic injuries in an emergency situation-then I think we're back at the drawing board.

We need a hospital there. I don't care if it's something the size of Lane Memorial. But we need something. I get that there's population shifts and I get that demographics have moved South in Baton Rouge and that we've had a move to tighten up and try to outright eliminate the Charity system in BR.

But we need something. It's just gonna be much, much tougher to get it there than even the most optimistic folks about it were thinking.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 12:32 pm
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