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re: Rating Engineering/Science programs in LA

Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:20 pm to
Posted by Maverick01
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:20 pm to
Actually, I stand corrected. Apparently LSU is ranked #94 in the country for its engineering program, and Louisiana Tech is ranked #135.
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Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:22 pm to
I graduated from MIT with an engineering degree, and I'm not kidding when I say that the overwhelming majority of Southern grads I meet are lightyears ahead of the competition. Their attention to detail is something I've never seen from grads from other programs such as Purdue, Stanford, A&M, you name it.

Keep your head up, volod. You're getting a tier 1 education.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:28 pm to
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LA Tech has a better rated engineering program than LSU you derp.


No it doesn't.
Posted by yellowfin
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:36 pm to
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Actually, I stand corrected. Apparently LSU is ranked #94 in the country for its engineering program, and Louisiana Tech is ranked #135.


Which rankings?

Just curious

Eta: nice job admin
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 8:39 pm
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:47 pm to
I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the fact that this is an LSU website, but somehow it never ceases to amaze me that the nimrods here think that somehow LSU is the be-all-end-all of academic achievement in Louisiana.

What are you people basing these rankings on? Anything concrete you care to link up?

All of these schools are ABET accredited, so what is it you think you're getting at LSU that you aren't getting anywhere else? Is calculus and thermodynamics different at LSU?

Do you think the teachers are better? Speaking from my own personal experience, while I was at ULL my teacher for Statics, Dynamics, and Mechanics of Materials was Dr. Russel Hibbeler. He wrote the text books we used... the same text books the students at LSU used.

Does anyone commenting here on the relative rankings of engineering programs actually have a degree from one of these schools? How about a P.E. license?

I passed my FE without studying and my PE on my first sitting. Apparently some of that nonsense they taught at ULL was worth a damn after all.

Also, I'll just leave this here as a LINK

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A team of University of Louisiana at Lafayette engineering students placed second in the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers Region 5 robotics competition.

LeTourneau University of Longview, Texas, earned first place and LSU placed third. The competition was held Saturday in Corpus Christi, Texas.
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:01 pm to
I passed the FE without studying either. You're not special. Obviously every engineering school is ABET accredited. But obviously some are better than others. The rankings are based off of research, grad rates, etc., and ultimately the reputation for hiring grads. I don't think any LA school stands out. But you whiny ask ULL/LaTech/and-apparently-Southern students have such the Napoleon complex that you come spout off nonsense about how your faculty wrote the book and secretly it's 10 x's the education as LSU. LSU''s professor's helped write text books as well, so did LaTech's, and many others. Your school wasn't some hidden gem. Neither was LSU. But ultimately, the rankings taking each schools reputation into consideration do as sin a number to it.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:04 pm to
I have attended both LSU and UNO for engineering, and enjoy UNO more. Teachers are more qualified (pretty much every one teaches and consults, while doing research) and they have plenty of facilities to use. Plus, the average age of students is higher, so people have more life experiences to base things off of. Class size is smaller and teachers are more accessible. I think we do more labs than LSU ME. The only thing LSU has better as far as what I've seen is computers
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 9:07 pm
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:11 pm to
And that's awesome for you. I am just stating that too many people think their personal opinion means one school is better than the other. UNO fits you better. I have no clue for me because I only went to LSU. I just laugh when people say one is better than the other so confidently. The only two I've heard legitimate things about is that many people go to Southern for statics and thermo because they are easier there and are weed out classes at LSU, and that Tulane gutted engineering after Kachina and I've not heard of it making a full recovery. Other than that, who knows.

Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:15 pm to
I met a guy who is doing ChemE, but other than that, I haven't heard of anyone going to Tulane for engineering

The only way can really rate them is facilities, teachers, students, and FE passing rates



This thread got anchored for some reason
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 9:16 pm
Posted by yellowfin
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:24 pm to
Where are the rankings?

I don't think Louisiana really has a high ranked engineering right now at any school


But I also think ranking are pretty useless
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:38 pm to
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KG6


So in summary you haven't refuted anything I've said, and admitted that so called rankings are ultimately based off of a nebulus concept like reputation.

Fair enough. Apparently we agree. Although, Hibb did write (not help write) ours and LSU's books, and probably many others, on several subjects.

As for the FE, I never claimed to be special, simply that I gained the breadth of knowledge necessary to pass a nationally administered examination just like students from many other schools. I can't help but notice that you skipped the PE part, so I guess you either haven't taken it, took more than one sitting to pass, or haven't passed yet. I could recommend a tutor if you want, although you might need to drive to Lafayette.
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 9/17/15 at 6:21 am to
I would not call reputation a nebulous concept. Talk to an A&M grad about whether they really think A&M's program is that much better than any other school. Most will admit it's probably not (I've asked). It's the reputation and connections that make A&M well known as an engineering school. I've worked with Georgia Tech grads. Good guys, but not anything that makes you realize they went to a top 10 engineering school. But GT has that reputation. It is completely what the rankings are about and what a lot of hiring (the most important thing) is ranked off of. I know LSU isn't ranked super high. I'm not here trying to justify how good it is by pimping my old professors. Mostly since I don't have experience with any others. Just know that if you leave Louisiana, you will come across many more LSU grads than ULL grads. That's not really about quality and more about quantity, but it speaks to the reputation.

And as far as getting my PE, I don't have a reason as I am no longer in engineering. If I ever took a job that needed it, I'd take a pay cut. I have thought about taking it as I'm not worried about passing. But then I realized the only reason I would use it is to sound like badass on the Internet and that's just silly. If you ever need a job with your PE though, give me a shout. I'll take how your professor wrote some text books into consideration. (Usually don't like to go all OT badass, but you seem like you deserve it)
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 9/17/15 at 7:28 am to
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I would not call reputation a nebulous concept.


Then you either don't understand the concept of reputation, or the definition of the word nebulous.

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I'm not here trying to justify how good it is by pimping my old professors


You seem really upset by the fact that I used Hibb to make a point about the quality of professors at ULL vs LSU. It seems to me this would be a salient point in a discussion comparing quality of education between schools. Ironic that you throw out accusations of Napoleon concept, yet can't seem to let that one go.

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Just know that if you leave Louisiana, you will come across many more LSU grads than ULL grads.


This is a mathematical inevitability, and has nothing to do with the quality of education received. I know you recognized this, but I feel compelled to point it out again. As for it "speaking to reputation", this again illustrates my point that any sort of attempt to rank schools based on such a thing is foolishness, although I will of course admit that LSU grads are hired more often and, on average, payed more right out of school than ULL grads. I base that on my own experience with no effort to look up any statistics, but I feel confident it's accurate.

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But then I realized the only reason I would use it is to sound like badass on the Internet and that's just silly


I'll say.

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If you ever need a job with your PE though, give me a shout. I'll take how your professor wrote some text books into consideration


There's that butthurt again...but no thanks. I'm sure you won't be offering me full ownership of an engineering company, so my PE won't be going to nearly as good of use.
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 9/17/15 at 8:20 am to
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Then you either don't understand the concept of reputation, or the definition of the word nebulous


Nebulous means ill defined. So you are saying a institution cannot have a good reputation?

In regards to your professor, I'm merely pointing out that you can lean on that one professor, while every school can do that. You only have experience at that school.

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I will of course admit that LSU grads are hired more often and, on average, payed more right out of school than ULL grads.


And this is all that matters. I'm not even saying that LSU is a better school. But even you admit this. That is where the rankings come into play.

You throw around me requiring a tutor, and I'll throw around bullshite Billy-badass comments as well. I grow tired of people who throw their PE around like it makes them better. I'm not an engineer anymore, I have no use for it. But I have the same education as those who have it. I have done the same work as those who have it in my industry. It's great for them that they have it. But don't act as though you know more than me because you took a test. I just took a different career path. But let it be known that I have absolutely no doubt that I would pass the PE on my first sitting. Friends who know me and have passed it have told me if I took it I shouldn't worry, they know I wouldn't have a problem.
This post was edited on 9/17/15 at 8:25 am
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 9/17/15 at 9:01 am to
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Nebulous means ill defined. So you are saying a institution cannot have a good reputation?


I am saying that reputation, by it's very nature, is a nebulous concept. It is subject to extreme bias and is born of anecdotal evidence. It is not quantifiable, therefore any sort of "ranking" based upon such is dubious at best.

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And this is all that matters


If you think so, then I suppose there's nothing more to say on the matter.


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But don't act as though you know more than me because you took a test.


I never said I did. I brought it up because the PE is a nationally administered examination, taken the same by grads from MIT as ULL, LSU, and everywhere else. It is a quantifiable method for determining if one has received adequate instruction in the subject matter deemed relevant to offer engineering services to the public. Lord knows if we could only poll someone's group of friends, I'm sure they would all vouch for that individuals technical prowess, but alas we have to rely on crude instruments like a test to sort it out.


I will reiterate that we seem to agree more than disagree. The conflict is arising from your inability to let go of the point I made about one single professor at ULL writing the books LSU students used, and the fact that I mentioned passing the PE. The irony of your Napoleon complex comment grows more apparent with every post.
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