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Question for military folks.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:23 pm
Been sick and laid up which leads to YouTube wormholes. Watching some Medal of Honor videos where recipients are interviewed.
One was a Vietnam war artillery guy. Long but incredible story of what he did. Amazing he can still stand. But one of his big actions during the battle was setting off a Beehive Round with his damaged cannon and over charging it to the point the cannon partially landed on him.
The Beehive Round sounds like the most godawful thing conceived. Any old timers on here ever fire one even in training and are they still used today?
One was a Vietnam war artillery guy. Long but incredible story of what he did. Amazing he can still stand. But one of his big actions during the battle was setting off a Beehive Round with his damaged cannon and over charging it to the point the cannon partially landed on him.
The Beehive Round sounds like the most godawful thing conceived. Any old timers on here ever fire one even in training and are they still used today?
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:30 pm to LSU alum wannabe
It could be fired from a 105 mm recoilless rifle or presumably an armored assault vehicle gun tube or a tank. They were used when I was in Vietnam and I saw what the bazillions of little nail like flachettes (sp) looked like. (Inch long nails with tiny fins.) I think the original purpose was for use against massed troops in the open, but not sure. All I know is we had them, used them, and fortunately I never had to look at the end result.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:34 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:35 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Beehive rounds went out of favor after the VietNam war. I believe the M1 Abrams tank has an antipersonnel round
Canister round
and flechette rockets are used by the Apache and Cobra as a 70mm rocket round against troops in the open.
Canister round
and flechette rockets are used by the Apache and Cobra as a 70mm rocket round against troops in the open.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:37 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Paging RollTide1987.
The earliest form of this round (that I am aware of) is the canister (or grapeshot) round from the American Civil War period.
The earliest form of this round (that I am aware of) is the canister (or grapeshot) round from the American Civil War period.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:39 pm to BPTiger
BPTtiger, the graphic you provided is the way the modern artillery flechette round operates in indirect fire. The way it was used back in the day in Vietnam was direct fire, leveled gun tube by recoiless rifle or by artillery positions in extremis.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:42 pm to Wolfhound45
I think it went back even further, to almost the dawn of gunpowder weapons. They would load the cannon with various size projectiles and fire them off with devastating effect.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:47 pm to Wolfhound45
Grapeshot rounds have been around well before civil war. At least revolutionary war as I know they were used during Napoleonic era.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:54 pm to fr33manator
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I think it went back even further, to almost the dawn of gunpowder weapons.
This. I've read accounts of artillerymen running out of shot and just putting whatever was around down the bore to fire at the enemy. Rocks, sticks, cups, knives, forks... If you've still got powder, and they're still coming, anything shot out of that bad boy could be deadly - or at least debilitating. It could even shred sails/rigging on ships.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:07 pm to LSU alum wannabe
I had not read that one before or heaard of him and I try to read lots of these. heres the link in words from the chicago tribune
linky
damn impressive
Edit: Sgt davis is still with us and miraculously Sgt Gant survived his injuries and only recently died in 2019 at an old age of 88
linky
damn impressive
Edit: Sgt davis is still with us and miraculously Sgt Gant survived his injuries and only recently died in 2019 at an old age of 88
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:17 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
is the canister (or grapeshot) round from the American Civil War period.
Catapults/trebuchets and the like occasionally used a grapeshot style round to be cast into a sieged town. It was used for psychological effect.
It's noted the romans also used a flechette style ballista round.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:13 pm to beachdude
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modern artillery flechette
Do we use those today? We did not have flechette rounds in the 90’s unless you’re referring to the MLRS.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:38 pm to Wolfhound45
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American Civil War period
It may not have been in cannister form but I believe one of Admiral Nelson's injuries was from grape shot in the napoleon wars. I may be way off.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:45 pm to LSU alum wannabe
That was Sammy L Davis, a bad bad man, they used his MoH ceremony for Forrest Gump. His story is very much worth reading/listening to.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:47 pm to Loup
Chain shot. Great for tearing up the masts and rigging of sailing ships.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:50 pm to LSU alum wannabe
It’s called “Killer Junior”. You can set the M577 fuse to super quick so it activates at 30m after coming out of the barrel.
I never fired one, nor knew anyone in peacetime who did. Just too dangerous. So anytime we went to do direct fire, it was a standard 739 fuze/point detonating at a fixed target in the impact area.
Edited to add: this is with the Standard M107 HE round
I never fired one, nor knew anyone in peacetime who did. Just too dangerous. So anytime we went to do direct fire, it was a standard 739 fuze/point detonating at a fixed target in the impact area.
Edited to add: this is with the Standard M107 HE round
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:52 pm to LSU alum wannabe
When I first enlisted we had the original M1 Abrams with the 105mm main gun. There was a “Beehive” round for it. But I never fired one nor saw one fired. We fired Sabot and HEAT rounds. Same thing when we got the M1A1s.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:15 pm to Afish85
I've seen an interview with Sammy Davis before and he comes across as just a good old country boy... Firing a beehive rounds from a fully depressed 105mm howitzer as a one man gun crew, but a good old boy.
I may be misremembering, but I think he swam across a small river or canal to rescue men from an overrun OP/LP with the assistance of an inflatable air mattress. He used the air mattress because he couldn't swim.
Sammy has a pair on him.
I may be misremembering, but I think he swam across a small river or canal to rescue men from an overrun OP/LP with the assistance of an inflatable air mattress. He used the air mattress because he couldn't swim.
Sammy has a pair on him.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:56 pm to LSU alum wannabe
The modern day version of that is a canister round fired from an M1 SEP (Tank) think 120 mm shotgun shell
Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:25 pm to White Roach
Yes it was the Sammy “Davis” story.
Yes he Swam to get 3 guys I believe one they thought was dead or near.
Amazing story. He played dead several times. Laying in a river full of guys he’d probably killed with that beehive.
Yes he Swam to get 3 guys I believe one they thought was dead or near.
Amazing story. He played dead several times. Laying in a river full of guys he’d probably killed with that beehive.
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