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re: Question for managers and bosses of OT
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:54 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:54 pm to ShortyRob
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I have some advice. I'm being sincere here. Rather than think about this manager's incompetence, take it upon yourself to make him better? Why? Because it's your job? Nope. It most certainly is NOT your job to make him better. But, I can tell you this from many years of experience. If you take my advice, it won't work out in your favor every time. But, over the course of your life, it will A LOT more often than it won't. The bottom line is, good organizations want people who try to make the ORGANIZATION better. And, while I've found that junior people rarely believe it, it's pretty darned common that those of us higher up the food chain know when a guy is kind of skating by and a great underling is carrying him.
If your assessment of the manager is correct trust me others know it as well. If you follow this advise it will be notice by those who matter.
Good Luck.
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:56 pm to xxKylexx
I would invite your boss and his boss for lunch. Have a nice conversation. Make sure your boss orders some corn and you do not. (this is an important detail). During lunch engage in conversation that would further the business as a whole. This will show your willingness and dedication to the company.
When you get home after work make sure you eat some corn (again an important detail). The next morning get to work before everything. This shows dedication. Take a shite on your boss's supervisor's desk. He will see the corn and immediately think it is your boss. Your boss will be fired and you will be promoted.
When you get home after work make sure you eat some corn (again an important detail). The next morning get to work before everything. This shows dedication. Take a shite on your boss's supervisor's desk. He will see the corn and immediately think it is your boss. Your boss will be fired and you will be promoted.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:57 pm to unclejhim
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f your assessment of the manager is correct trust me others know it as well. If you follow this advise it will be notice by those who matter.
Good Luck.
I would add that the great part about my approach is that it doesn't actually matter if the assessment of the manager is correct.
1)If manager is actually incompetent, following my advice is better than sabotage.
2)If manager is actually a lot better than underling realizes and underling is constantly looking to improve the organization, manager will take note.
Win win.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:57 pm to xxKylexx
Depends on where you work
My company has a new program where they ask you to go to your one up or two up manager and report supervisor incompetence without any repercussions. But I doubt your store has this and it would be frowned upon to complain about him
My company has a new program where they ask you to go to your one up or two up manager and report supervisor incompetence without any repercussions. But I doubt your store has this and it would be frowned upon to complain about him
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:57 pm to xxKylexx
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Should I talk to the store director
frick no. sorry, but you blew it by letting your boss take credit for your work. In the future, make sure the top guy knows what you're doing before, during and after the project.
How, you ask?
For example, when you first get the project, tell the head guy, "Hey, I just got asked to do such-and-such. I'm real excited about this, I can't wait to get started on it."
See? That way he knows YOU'RE doing the work.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:01 pm to xxKylexx
I worked for a major retailer for 25 years, most of which were in supervisory/management. Do yourself a favor before you are too far in....make a path out of retail. I went back to school at age 41 as a result of hitting the retail "wall".
You can make a decent living after many years, but the ceiling is pretty low for most employees...salaried management included. The store/general managers make 6 figures, but the assistants cap out in the low 70's. If you are willing to relocate, chances are you can move up quickly, but very few get out what they put in....it's usually much less.
Never be seen as the guy who doesn't respect the managers. Always be a team player. If you don't like the way things age going, remember...there are right ways and places to handle your issues. Once you are on the wrong side, forget about going anywhere with the company.
You can make a decent living after many years, but the ceiling is pretty low for most employees...salaried management included. The store/general managers make 6 figures, but the assistants cap out in the low 70's. If you are willing to relocate, chances are you can move up quickly, but very few get out what they put in....it's usually much less.
Never be seen as the guy who doesn't respect the managers. Always be a team player. If you don't like the way things age going, remember...there are right ways and places to handle your issues. Once you are on the wrong side, forget about going anywhere with the company.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:06 pm to ShortyRob
Managers Manage.
Supervisors Supervise.
Workers work.
Supervisors Supervise.
Workers work.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:12 pm to xxKylexx
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I guess what I'm looking for is what's the best way to deal with these kinds of managers? Should I talk to the store director or just deal with it and move on?
Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:12 pm to ShortyRob
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If you talk to the director, it will almost certainly work out poorly for you.
Odds are, you are correct.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:14 pm to xxKylexx
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is constantly asking me question after question about the department and it's stuff I'd imagine a manager should know.
He might know and is just making sure you know too. I always ask my staff questions I know the answer to, because I want to hear their perspective and make sure they are understanding.
I had peers who would talk shite about how bad a manager was. Some of those peers are now my subordinates. After reviewing their work, it makes me laugh how they felt cocky enough to criticize anyone's work or efforts. The most surprising thing about moving into a management role is seeing how rare it is that someone's perception of themselves equals reality.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:15 pm to xxKylexx
Do you sell paper? Is your name Jim or Dwight?
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