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Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:22 am to LNCHBOX
I think it should be stream lined. Bureaucracy is the problem, not the solution. If you think bureaucracy is free, then you are a part of the problem...
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:24 am to wickowick
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I think it should be stream lined. Bureaucracy is the problem, not the solution. If you think bureaucracy is free, then you are a part of the problem...
The permitting is going to cost what it costs. It's a fixed cost that time has no effect on. You're trying to get away from what we were actually talking about.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:31 am to LNCHBOX
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The permitting is going to cost what it costs. It's a fixed cost that time has no effect on. You're trying to get away from what we were actually talking about.
Permitting was brought up as a major reason for the 2+ year to begin construction. How long did it take to rebuild the twin spans after Katrina? That sure seamed to move quickly...
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:33 am to wickowick
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How long did it take to rebuild the twin spans after Katrina? That sure seamed to move quickly...
Well that's certainly an equal situation. Again, if you have all the answers, you'd make a killing in the consulting world. You should give it a shot.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:34 am to dualed
Hwy 70 needs to have the right of way at that intersection to where it can flow easily to and from I-10. A stop sign for northbound cars on 22 would be fine. Hwy 70 betwwen that intersection and the sunshine bridge gets 1000x more traffic than the stretch of hwy 22 from that intersection to hwy 44. It wouldnt be a hard fix.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:36 am to dualed
....may have to do with safety. Have you researched the crash history in evaluating Warrant 7?
Implementation of roundabouts doesn't always deal with delay-related issues.
Implementation of roundabouts doesn't always deal with delay-related issues.
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 10:38 am
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:36 am to LNCHBOX
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Well that's certainly an equal situation. Again, if you have all the answers, you'd make a killing in the consulting world. You should give it a shot.
Once again, what you are failing to realize, is the government is the problem in this equaltion. What would a consultant do to fix that...
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:37 am to LNCHBOX
So do you work for CBI, CH2MHill, or NY Assoc?
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:38 am to CP3
His perspective is valid.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:39 am to wickowick
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is the government is the problem in this equaltion
What you're again failing to realize is that you don't know how the process works and are speaking about it like you're an expert. Permitting isn't the only thing that holds projects up. Are NIMBYs a government problem in your opinion?
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What would a consultant do to fix that...
They'd be able to say something other than "government bad" without the slightest clue of the process for starters.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:40 am to CP3
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So do you work for CBI, CH2MHill, or NY Assoc?
None of the above, but unlike wick, I have a clue.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:40 am to LNCHBOX
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Further, do you think people are just sitting around twiddling their thumbs? You probably do. You clearly have zero clue as to what goes into to making a project happen.
As an engineer who works for a consulting firm, this is exactly what happens. Especially on state funded projects.Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:41 am to kingbob
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Roundabouts don't work for
A: intersections involving more than 2 lane
Not necessarily. I do recognize limitations and multi lane approaches are more complicated, but some circumstances warrant them.
I'm going to sit back and watch this.....I know more than all of you and Lunch would likely agree.
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 10:44 am
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:44 am to LNCHBOX
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The permitting is going to cost what it costs. It's a fixed cost that time has no effect on.
So no part of the project is waiting for permits to proceed?
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:58 am to dualed
The reason this will not work is due to the amount of 18 wheeler traffic that uses that stretch. I live on the Northshore so Im all too familiar with roundabouts. They are good in areas with little 18 wheel traffic but are horrible in areas with alot of big trucks. For a roundabout to work, you have to be able to yield and go the second you have an opening. An 18 wheeler can not do this. Hell our trucks are in 6th gear before we even hit 25mph and those are only larger 3 and 4 axle trucks.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:59 am to wickowick
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So no part of the project is waiting for permits to proceed?
Yes, there is time that it takes for the information for the permit application to be assembled, then it is submitted, then it must be evaluated. There is no magic button you can press that will make all of that happen overnight. It takes time, if you really want to get it approved. Sure, a BS application can be filled out in a day or so and submitted and you'll get a real quick rejection letter. So then the highway never gets built.
Like I said earlier though, there are lots of other parts of the process that simply take time. It's part of life. Permits are needed ANYTIME you have construction. Have you tried to build a house or even perform simple renovations to a house on your own private property? Guess what, you need a permit to do so. Sure a simple mind says "why the frick do I need a permit to construct on my private land and my private house"....Just think about it.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 11:04 am to LNCHBOX
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Are NIMBYs a government problem in your opinion?
Eminent domain isn't quick or cheap
Posted on 2/22/16 at 11:17 am to BoostAddict
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The reason they keep building these things is... they COST LESS THAN THE REAL SOLUTION
FIFY
They do this to avoid having to add lanes.
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