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re: Project Management Professional Accreditation
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:07 pm to DaStain
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:07 pm to DaStain
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You are right - real schedules, budgets, and accountability are annoying.
No you're right. Blindly pushing people towards meeting dates and budgets without an understanding of the content or challenges is absolutely inspiring.
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:09 pm to DaStain
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You are right - real schedules, budgets, and accountability are annoying.
85% of the PMPs I've encountered are clueless. Seriously clueless. They work long hours for sure but have very little feel for what's really going on.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:11 pm to drizztiger
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85% of the PMPs I've encountered are clueless. Seriously clueless. They work long hours for sure but have very little feel for what's really going on.
This guy gets it.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:37 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Anyone know someone who us both a PMP and a landscape arichtect?
You could be Joe Johnson. PMP, PLA. (Pimp, Playa almost)
You could be Joe Johnson. PMP, PLA. (Pimp, Playa almost)
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:06 am to drizztiger
As it relates to the OP, obtaining a PMP designation does not ensure that you will magically become a good project manager - it just means that you can pass a test. However, the concepts that PMI preaches are undoubtedly good for projects (and business in general) if applied correctly.
I can't vouch for the competence of the PMPs that you have dealt with, but I would say that a similar low number of "people doing the real work" have a solid sense of the big picture as it relates to the company's strategic schedule and budget needs, project risks, and appropriate communication.
Successful projects tend to be those where both sides have a good understanding as opposed to a project manager forcing arbitrary dates and budgets and front line employees ignoring them.
I can't vouch for the competence of the PMPs that you have dealt with, but I would say that a similar low number of "people doing the real work" have a solid sense of the big picture as it relates to the company's strategic schedule and budget needs, project risks, and appropriate communication.
Successful projects tend to be those where both sides have a good understanding as opposed to a project manager forcing arbitrary dates and budgets and front line employees ignoring them.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:12 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
PMP is only really worth it if you are in project management and have ACTUALLY worked the job first. I was accredited for years. Meh.
The KNOWLEDGE is worth it, but you can get that simply by picking up a book and reading it.
The KNOWLEDGE is worth it, but you can get that simply by picking up a book and reading it.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 7:14 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:26 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
Just took the 35 hour training a month ago. I still have not signed up for the test yet. It's around $500 and I have not yet begun reviewing the materials. I need to sign up and get on it while it is still somewhat fresh.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:38 am to siliconvalleytiger
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No you're right. Blindly pushing people towards meeting dates and budgets without an understanding of the content or challenges is absolutely inspiring.
Spot on. I find this is often typical of many MBA's as well. Thinking any unit or department can be managed by theoretical management principals and/or case studies, without getting into the daily challenges and details whatsoever.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:44 am to jdd48
That kind of shite is dealt with on a daily basis 
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:48 am to SG_Geaux
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You won't be able to get it straight out of school. You pretty much have to have a proven track record to get it.
Yep. It's virtually impossible out of school unless someone had an internship that required them to manage an actual project over a lengthy period of time (not likely).
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:50 am to drizztiger
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85% of the PMPs I've encountered are clueless. Seriously clueless
My experience as well.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:57 am to siliconvalleytiger
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A PMP often implies plain project management skills but no business content which is why I don't hire many.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to have roughly 4 years worth of experience to qualify for the PMP? If you've accrued that and decided to pursue a professional certification, you have to had picked up a little business sense.
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Obviously there are exceptions and many have both but a person who tries to run things based on a project plan usually just annoys the people doing the real work.
I agree. Planning and scheduling are worthless. I bet it annoys you when people ask you how long its going to take you to complete an activity, too?
I digress. I've been out of college for seven years now, and have been seriously thinking about pursuing it. It seems to have some traction in the Construction industry with Industrial and Federal projects. Its not a fad like LEED, and I'd at least pick up some useful knowledge in the process of pursuing it.
Plus, I'd get to put El Prez, PMP on my business cards.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 7:59 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:03 am to drizztiger
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85% of the PMPs I've encountered are clueless. Seriously clueless. They work long hours for sure but have very little feel for what's really going on.
I've been putting off getting mine for this fact. They give it to anyone who will pay the money and can past the test, even complete idiots.
However, most of our clients like PMPs so I'm about to bite the bullet and go get it against my will.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:33 am to dillpickleLSU
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I've been putting off getting mine for this fact. They give it to anyone who will pay the money and can past the test, even complete idiots
You can make this generalized statement about any certification or professional licensure.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:39 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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You can make this generalized statement about any certification or professional licensure.
Agreed.
I've never met an employer that treated a professional certification as a bad thing. Plus, having those three letters behind your name could open up possibilities for both yourself and your company.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:39 am to dillpickleLSU
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I've been putting off getting mine for this fact. They give it to anyone who will pay the money and can past the test, even complete idiots.
We have a few with this certification working for us. Not saying that they are complete idiots but they don't get out to the field much to prove they are really capable of managing an actual project with the backbone of our work force. They do like to offer off the wall ideas when we come in for cost reviews though.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:56 am to MWP
I'm preparing for this exam right now with hopes to take it by the end of the year at the latest. I'm hopeful for a nice pay increase whenever I do get though. A BSEE, MBA, and PMP should command a nice salary. I have a friend who go his PMP last year and he pretty much have the same credentials as I do and Shell hired him and gave him a 25% increase in pay right after he got certified.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 9:08 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:00 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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Shell hired him and gave him a 25% increase in pay right after he got certified.
I figure a PMP Cert would pay big dividends on the gas company side but probably not so much on the construction side. If I ever thought about jumping the fence I would probably get it but having been a PM for the last 15 or so years on this side, it doesn't carry much weight.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:00 am to The First Cut
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PMP? Yes, definitely worth it.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:10 am to drizztiger
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85% of the PMPs I've encountered are clueless. Seriously clueless. They work long hours for sure but have very little feel for what's really going on
Yup, most PMP holders are ignorant. There are a few PMP holders that are good PMs, but not many. I've been kicking around getting mine for a couple years, mainly to make our proposals more appealing to possible clients.
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