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Photos Showing ‘Shameful’ Scenes At VA Hospital Prompt Investigation

Posted on 3/2/17 at 8:56 am
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 8:56 am
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It's not hard to find stories of headaches -- and heartache -- when it comes to the VA. What makes this one different is it has pictures to go with it.

Marine veteran Stephen McMenamin and his wife, Hanna, moved to Raleigh from their home in Milwaukee a few months ago and already have amassed an armload of personal stories about long wait times at the Durham VA hospital -- both to get appointments in the first place and in the waiting room once at the hospital.


But they said it was what they saw Friday that moved them to take pictures and post them to Facebook.

"It was very upsetting," Stephen McMenamin said. He and his wife said they saw a handful of older veterans mistreated and ignored during the seven hours they were at the hospital, including an aged-veteran in a wheelchair.

"He had been sitting there for quite some time groaning and convulsing in pain," McMenamin said. "Almost to the point of where he was falling out of his wheelchair."

"He was visibly in pain," said Hanna. "And I think the thing with that that disturbed me so much was that there were people just sitting there acting like nothing was happening and he was sitting right in front of them and they were not even acknowledging that it was happening."

McMenamin says he and other patients asked if there was anything staff at the hospital could do to make the man more comfortable and were repeatedly told no.

After several hours, McMenamin says he offered the man a wheelchair he had been given.


"He sat in it for probably 15 minutes until the head nurse came around and kicked him out and said he can't do that, he can't be in that area. She was very rough with him and just completely insensitive," he said.


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McMenamin and his wife say another veteran that caught their attention was an older man who looked deathly ill coming in but also was made to wait. After multiple times trying to get comfortable and being told he could not, McMenamin says he just lay on the emergency room floor.

"He just kind of laid down and said, 'I can't get up, I won't get up. Please get me a blanket until you can see me.' "


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"The majority of the people working there were very nice to us. They were great," she added. "It's just that you have these people that don't care it seems like, and from what I've read from the comments, this is happening all over the place. You get people that just don't care for what they're doing and they feel like they can't be fired, so they just kind of get away with it. I just think it's unacceptable."


Tax dollars at work. Shameful how some of our vets are treated in this country.



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Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 8:59 am to
that's pretty much what all va's look like
Posted by StarkRebel
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 8:59 am to
But I'm an a-hole for wanting Vets to get better care than illegals. frick that, Vets come first.
Posted by Iron Lion
Sipsey
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 8:59 am to
My grandad was in and out of the VA in Tuscaloosa a good bit when he was alive. That place is downright depressing. Those people deserve better.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:00 am to
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that's pretty much what all ERs look like


FIFY
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:02 am to
Having visited the Durham VA I can personally confirm it is one of the worst VA hospitals I have ever encountered.

It makes the Alexandria VA Hospital look like the Mayo Clinic
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:06 am to
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Alexandria VA Hospital
my grandfather was there before he passed, and it wasnt very bad at all when i went to see him. Granted he was in the alzheimer's ward. so there was constant supervision in there.
Posted by Teufelhunden
Galvez, LA
Member since Feb 2005
5583 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:12 am to
The new one in New Orleans is nice. I've only been once so I only have a single data point regarding the service, but it was a good experience.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:16 am to
Honest question, do Vets only go to the VA?
Posted by Shotgun Willie
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:18 am to
Why are there VA hospitals?? Seriously if I was President Trump I'd make an executive order today eliminating all VA hospitals within 6 months, and give every veteran the right to go to whatever hospital or doctor they want to go to. Give them the same medical insurance as members of congress or better.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
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Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:20 am to
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Honest question, do Vets only go to the VA?


If they can't afford better and alot of these older guys can't.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:24 am to
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Seriously if I was President Trump I'd make an executive order today eliminating all VA hospitals within 6 months, and give every veteran the right to go to whatever hospital or doctor they want to go to. Give them the same medical insurance as members of congress or better.


Its not a bad idea. If you're wounded overseas or as a result of military duty, you should get govt healthcare for life.

Of course every army grunt, marine PFC, etc that trips and falls during recruit training will claim the benefit. Even so you have to wonder if that would be cheaper than operating the VA as is.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:25 am to
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Why are there VA hospitals?? Seriously if I was President Trump I'd make an executive order today eliminating all VA hospitals within 6 months, and give every veteran the right to go to whatever hospital or doctor they want to go to. Give them the same medical insurance as members of congress or better.


That sounds great and all but there are some very special needs Vets require such as:

1. Advanced research and care for amputees
2. PTSD treatment
3. Long term In-patient treatment for both medical and psychological issues

You might be able to privatize the VA but I wouldn't want to see it go completely away.

Having a VA hospital helps vets connect with other vets who suffer as they do.

Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:27 am to
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But I'm an a-hole for wanting Vets to get better care than illegals. frick that, Vets come first.


Stop sending them to wars, which ends up making them dependment on the govt.


What I thought people shouldn't be dependent on the govt!
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:27 am to
I've seen a grown man cry because he had to go back to the VA. It's disgraceful how these places are able to treat people.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:28 am to
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Its not a bad idea. If you're wounded overseas or as a result of military duty, you should get govt healthcare for life.


They already do.

If you have a "Service Connected" disability, you are eligible for Tricare Prime for life as well as a medical plan administered by the VA

I believe combat related injuries are prioritized interms of receiving an evaluation from the VA for benefits.
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 9:28 am
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:28 am to
As we say, "go into a VA, never come out the same"

Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:28 am to
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Stop sending them to wars, which ends up making them dependment on the govt.

What I thought people shouldn't be dependent on the govt!


You're out of your element here. Go back to race baiting somewhere.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:29 am to
Anytime you have government employees they are going to basically not give a damn. It's a shame the lack of vetting we do hiring 90% of government employees most aren't worth the paper they wipe their arse with
Posted by LSUfanNkaty
LC, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
11107 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:32 am to
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Shameful how some of our vets are treated in this country.


Shameful doesn't even come close to describing it. It's fricking bull shite the way our government treats the men and women that put their life on the line for their country. I guess it's not surprising when you consider the big money politicians who could give a frick. The treatment of our vets fricking pisses me off to no end.
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