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People who can't manage finances or spending. How does this happen?

Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:55 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:55 am
I stumbled upon a Youtube channel that shows lots of episodes of Till Debt Do Us Part, which is a Canadian show that was airing right before the 2008 crash, from what I read in the comments. The show is kind of goofy (basically if the couple does 3 challenges towards reforming their spending, they get $5k to put towards debt), but only when you get into the challenges part. The first 10 minutes or so, when they go over the couples' behaviors and finances, is insane.

The couple in the video I posted has NO IDEA how much they spend, what their debtload is, etc. This particular couple estimated they spent $6400/month, but they actually spent ELEVEN GRAND A MONTH.

One episode I skimmed last night had a couple estimate they had $20k in consumer debt, but it was actually $56k.

My favorite are the wives who argue "I'm buying this stuff on sale, so we're actually saving money". It happens OVER and OVER on the show.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
120291 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:56 am to
People want to live for today.

Cashless world plus credit makes us lose touch with the reality of money.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35498 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:57 am to
Some people are stupid.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41200 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:58 am to
Great show, she also has another show Princess
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 11:00 am
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7792 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:59 am to
Loved watching that show back in the day.

Also the crazy bastards on "can i afford this?" with Suze Orman.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422579 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:59 am to
The one legit takeaway from this show that I found myself agreeing with fully was all the "stuff" these people have. The host lady will go into their house and it's always filled with "stuff". I have been getting rid of a lot of old stuff the past couple months. Made a couple trips to donate to goodwill and filled up the trash can a few weeks.

Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
7901 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:00 am to
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Cashless world plus credit makes us lose touch with the reality of money.


This coupled with consumerism culture means practically everyone sucks at money. "There is no way I can save for retirement" is the biggest lie we tell ourselves.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:01 am to
When are people taught anything about it?

no time, got to be taught how they are oppressor or victim


Take the % of high school grads who are functionally illiterate and multiple by about 3 to get the innumerate percentage.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18005 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:01 am to
Poor parenting.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58785 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:02 am to
Limited personal finance education in schools, if any.

20 plus years of debt-fueled, consumer spending driven economy.

Pretty easy to see how it happens.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:02 am to
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When are people taught anything about it?


it doesn't require a formal education process to understand you make x a month and shouldn't spend twice that

the people on this show almost always have transferred credit cards, used personal LOCs, or have multiple consolidation loans. they KNOW they can't afford it based on what they had to do to keep having money coming in
Posted by Ping Pong
LSU and UVA alum
Member since Aug 2014
5353 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:02 am to
Most people cant handle credit cards. They see they have a $2000 limit so they think they have $2000. With the average APR on a credit card over 20%, their debt just grows and grows
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21321 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:02 am to
My dad taught me a lot about finances. Even my girlfriend who is pretty smart never had her parents sit her down and explain a lot of this stuff so I’m trying to imprint better habits on her. Same with a lot of my friends. I just helped my friend set up an IRA. He’d been saving well just not investing. The more people i can help with basic money management the better. It’s not hard especially if you instill the values early on.

ETA: my dad literally used to make me write papers during weekends or after school on financial literacy. He’d give me articles from the paper of stories of people who totally overspent or fricked their lives up by not managing their finances and make me write reports to him on it.
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 11:04 am
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65776 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:02 am to

Decades ago, the words "file bankruptcy" and foreclosure were about as low as a person could go. Now, it's a safety net that carries no stigma.
Posted by McCaigBro69
TigerDroppings Premium Member
Member since Oct 2014
45086 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:02 am to
I have no clue what I spend a month. I put aside a percentage of my check and just use my debit card.

Rarely check my balance tbh.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55662 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:03 am to
It’s so easy to be financially responsible. I don’t get why such a small % of Americans manage to do it though.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422579 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:04 am to
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They see they have a $2000 limit so they think they have $2000.

one couple last night said they got a card with a $5k limit and it was maxed out before they got the initial bill
Posted by 21JumpStreet
Member since Jul 2012
14653 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:04 am to
You can't fix stupid
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:04 am to
quote:

don’t get why such a small % of Americans manage to do it though


Because its effortless to spend more than you make.
Posted by LSUJML
BR
Member since May 2008
45587 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:04 am to
I think finances should be part of high school
Kids have no clue how to balance a check book, buy a house or create a budget
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