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Posted on 10/1/15 at 8:57 am to
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47474 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 8:57 am to
quote:

This. In the off chance something went wrong, I am afraid I could get sued bc its not in my scope of practice.


Well why the hell aren't you trained to do it? Did you tell the boss you could do EVERYTHING when you started?

Male PTs are little bitches. Do the fricking procedure or come deliver pizzas with me at night till you get a new job.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 9:16 am to
Not a lawyer but.....

Louisiana is an At-will employment state and does not have an implied contract exception clause so they don't have to have a reason to fire you. Unless you signed a contract when you were hired.
Posted by GaryMyMan
Shreveport
Member since May 2007
13498 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 9:44 am to
quote:

I consulted the state board and they stated this procedure was not within my scope of practice to perform. Yet, after reporting it to my supervisor, I am still expected to perform it.

This is just common sense and piggybacking other posters (read: not legal advice): you should definitely begin collecting evidence to CYA. Get your boss to send you an email demanding you preform the procedure. Be clever about it, ya know? Or figure out some other way to get it in writing that you're expected to perform this or it will cost you the job. Suing after termination is a real bad way to go, though. Future potential employers will see it as a red flag.

Alternatively, suggest a solution that doesn't involve you performing the procedure - bringing in someone on a part-time, contract basis who is qualified (if that's a thing). Or tell your boss you're willing to take the extra training to get certified in it, if they pay. Whatever you do, communicate with your boss that you can't risk your license.
This post was edited on 10/1/15 at 9:47 am
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 9:46 am to
You can get fired for wearing an ugly shirt.

quote:

will I be able to litigate for wrongful termination


What exactly do you think winning such a suit will get you?
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12268 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 9:49 am to
Hi. I'm a lawyer.

My suggestion: contact a fricking lawyer.
Posted by Isabelle81
NEW ORLEANS, LA
Member since Sep 2015
2718 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 10:29 am to
I'm sure that your licensure as a PT does have limits. If you were being told to do something outside those limits you should refuse, and contact the licensing board for clarification. I did this once as an RN and the Nursing Board called my supervisor directly and read her the riot act. Call your licensing board, refuse to do what is prohibited and if you are fired, take action. Would love to know who you are working for?
Posted by Isabelle81
NEW ORLEANS, LA
Member since Sep 2015
2718 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 10:31 am to
Mickelbr, something that is not within the scope of practice is prohibited. You cannot be trained to do it. No way, no how.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 10:33 am to
What action would he take? Employers in Louisiana do not have to show cause when they fire you?
Posted by Count Chocula
Tier 5 and proud
Member since Feb 2009
63908 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 10:33 am to
Mickelbr lost his license and was barred from practicing law years ago
Posted by Isabelle81
NEW ORLEANS, LA
Member since Sep 2015
2718 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 10:33 am to
Coach, it doesn't matter what any contract says, his licensing trumps the contract. That is, unless he doesn't mind losing his license.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 10:38 am to
Your license does not protect you from termination.

A contract does.

Without a contract, you have no protection from termination.
Posted by Isabelle81
NEW ORLEANS, LA
Member since Sep 2015
2718 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 10:39 am to
Tigerdoug, is it possible your supervisor is setting you up to take a fall? Don't even consider taking the chance.
Posted by SECretariat
Member since Jun 2015
339 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 10:43 am to
quote:

I'm a lawyer.

My suggestion: contact a fricking lawyer.


Seriously, OP! Without telling everyone the specifics of your issue, you are asking an internet forum to decide the best course of action on either 1) Losing/leaving your current job (and the potential to bring a successful lawsuit) or 2) act in direct opposition to an opinion provided to you on your specific fact pattern from your licensing board, and potentially lose your entire career.

The stakes are WAY too high in either outcome to NOT seek a proper legal opinion. While I understand the cost associated with an attorney can scare people away from seeking legal advice, this cost is insignificant compared to the potential of losing your ability to practice your profession.

Please seek a proper legal opinion from an attorney. Also, you'll sleep better at night knowing that someone is helping to ensure that you are making the right choice, while protecting your interest in any potential lawsuit (should it come to that).
This post was edited on 10/1/15 at 10:48 am
Posted by Isabelle81
NEW ORLEANS, LA
Member since Sep 2015
2718 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 10:46 am to
I understand that, but as concerns what he can and cannot do is not decided on by any contract an employer might have with him. That is decided on by his license. He would be smart to get in writing, in detail, what it is his supervisor wants him to do that is not within the scope of his licensure. I think the best he could get if terminated would be unemployment benefits. If the company he works for sees any Medicare or Medicaid patients, he could notify those entities as well. That could be a problem for the company in loss of status as a provider.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 10:51 am to
Will they still withhold unemployment benefits?

I didn't think they did that anymore. I thought it was pretty much automatic.
Posted by JDCPA76
Member since Jul 2015
73 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 10:53 am to
If he is being asked to perform a procedure outside of his license, will that not open his employer up to liability in the unlikely event that something goes wrong?

I am assuming this is a small company and not part of a large group. Very few owners.

It seems to me that by telling your employer "no I won't perform that procedure" pretty much seals your fate with the company. They can pretty much look for whatever reason to terminate you from then on, with no recourse for you, even if they agree that you do not have to do it.

Nicely put, you are between a rock and a hard place as to the right decision.

You may be right, but you may lose anyway.

And yes, go see a labor attorney before you haul off and do anything further.
Posted by TheAlmightySmash
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2014
5479 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 10:57 am to
quote:

I consulted the state board and they stated this procedure was not within my scope of practice to perform

"I'm not risking my license to perform X task." end of conversation.
Posted by Ash Williams
South of i-10
Member since May 2009
18145 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 11:01 am to
I'm a lawyer

And i can answer your questions.



But im not gonna answer your questions because answering legal questions on TD is outside of my scope of practice.

Sorry
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68447 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 11:04 am to
What specifically are they wanting you to do?
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
11391 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 11:05 am to
Walk away, you worked hard for your license, and don't waste your time with any boss who expects you to perform unethical, immoral or illegal conduct
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