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re: OT lawyers. ..Ever think about hanging it up?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 9:56 am to 12
Posted on 8/20/14 at 9:56 am to 12
i'm very happy to have done it enough to know how to handle things that don't get too complicated (that's mainly with property division if you have to try it, which i don't do anyway. if they can't sort it out on their own i give them mediators recommendations)
same with, AT LEAST, misdemeanor criminal defense
if you run your own show or are in a small/general firm and have a group of friends and all that, family law and misdemeanor criminal stuff will always pop up. it's good to be able to confidently handle these things. just for social-connection reasons
same with, AT LEAST, misdemeanor criminal defense
if you run your own show or are in a small/general firm and have a group of friends and all that, family law and misdemeanor criminal stuff will always pop up. it's good to be able to confidently handle these things. just for social-connection reasons
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Posted on 8/20/14 at 9:56 am to SabiDojo
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For the meantime, though, we're staying here. I don't want to leave my stepdaughter behind. Her father and his family are here, and she's really close to her great grandparents. I don't want to keep her from them.
Just these thoughts make you a good man, IMO.
May I offer you more food for thought? A few quotes from a book that was written in 1902, I believe.LINK I just sent a copy of this book to my son, who is working out of state,experiencing some marital problems due to his absence. We talk every night by phone about how eye opening this little book has been for him.
Here's one quote: A man only begins to be a man when he ceases to whine and revile, and commences to search for the hidden justice which regulates his life. And he adapts his mind to that regulating factor, he ceases to accuse others as the cause of his condition, and builds himself up in strong and noble thoughts; ceases to kick against circumstances, but begins to use them as aids to his more rapid progress, and as a means of the hidden powers and possibilities within himself.”
? James Allen, As a Man Thinketh
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:00 am to udtiger
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Ever think about hanging it up?
I switched out of it about 8 years ago after 6 years of practice...much happier.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:01 am to Themole
Thank you. Bookmarked.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:05 am to Alatgr
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I did. Bought a business. Don't miss it at all really.
Same here, I hit a big lick and paid off all my debt and GOT THE frick OUT. Still have my Title Co and I bought 20% of a start up production company that has doubled its earnings every year for the first three years.
Do I miss it? not even a little.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:10 am to MSTiger33
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I want an in house gig.
Let me warn you folks about in-house gigs:
They are NOT easier than being a firm lawyer. You don't walk in at 9, punch a clock, and walk out at 5. Most in-house positions involve small legal groups. You will work your arse off, but it is a different job--much more managerial than being a lawyer. You have to convince your own co-workers, the heads of other sections, to do what you feel is best for the company and you have to handle a fairly large case load (if you are in litigation) or a fairly large deal load (if you are in corporate). Everything is more generalized as well because of the leanness of the group.
There are very few companies that have massive in-house legal groups that you can hide in. Just go in with your eyes open. I, for one, would welcome that change as I find that I don't really like practicing law so much as I like finding solutions to problems.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 10:15 am
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:11 am to slam627
Nah, it's pretty cool. I don't work with a bunch of screamers or assholes though. I know they exist, and I can see how working in one of those environments would turn you off the profession. I also think lawyers suffer from the grass is greener disease - no jobs are 100% sunshine and rainbows.
This is the only part I consistently don't like - like when I'm weeding the garden on a Saturday morning and thinking "OMG it would be far more efficient for me to to be billing and pay someone else to do this." The problem with that line of thought is that its logical conclusion is that you should be billing 100% of the time; because nothing you do in normal life generates more value than one billable hour.
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Maybe it is the your-time-is-money aspect of being a lawyer, but in my unhappiest times I was always thinking about what I wasn't doing when I was busy doing other things.
This is the only part I consistently don't like - like when I'm weeding the garden on a Saturday morning and thinking "OMG it would be far more efficient for me to to be billing and pay someone else to do this." The problem with that line of thought is that its logical conclusion is that you should be billing 100% of the time; because nothing you do in normal life generates more value than one billable hour.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:12 am to Artie Rome
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If you don't have kids what is stopping you? Get a smaller house.
A) Just got it.
B) You don't know my wife.
C) My wife is an attorney, too, but has no desire to carry the family while I pursue my dreams.
D) Kids are on the horizon.
E) Then I wouldn't have anything to bitch about.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:17 am to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:18 am to LoveThatMoney
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My wife is an attorney, too
Ts and Ps (thoughts and prayers)
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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Article for everyone having the feels in this thread
Eh, the "feels" are the first thing that law school beat out of me (rip Saul L)
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:24 am to udtiger
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This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:24 am to Cold Cous Cous
you are talking to a guy who once told katherine spaht, "i'm prety much a chick"
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:25 am to udtiger
I think it's very hard to find a law or even law-related gig that makes it worth it to practice.
After 13 years of a combo of full-time firm practice, part-time firm practice, semi-retirement, being forced back into law practice by economy, and searching for a way to put my skills and passions to work without sacrificing what's truly important to me, I have finally found something that fits. I don't go to an office. I can do my stuff anywhere. I'm working on other creative endeavors and toward residual income. But I pinch myself every day and thank God for the opportunity. It wasn't just luck, but a lot of people who are smarter and harder-working than I aren't this fortunate.
Not sure if I answered your questions, but yes. Oh, also, if you find the right niche, you can reduce the idiot factor significantly.
After 13 years of a combo of full-time firm practice, part-time firm practice, semi-retirement, being forced back into law practice by economy, and searching for a way to put my skills and passions to work without sacrificing what's truly important to me, I have finally found something that fits. I don't go to an office. I can do my stuff anywhere. I'm working on other creative endeavors and toward residual income. But I pinch myself every day and thank God for the opportunity. It wasn't just luck, but a lot of people who are smarter and harder-working than I aren't this fortunate.
Not sure if I answered your questions, but yes. Oh, also, if you find the right niche, you can reduce the idiot factor significantly.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:26 am to Volt
does Morris Bart handle many med mal cases?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:27 am to Volt
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I've said "Morris Bart runs this ER". Most of what I do now and for the rest of my career is being dictated by the potential for being sued.
Hyperbole, Morris wouldn't know medical malpractice if it kicked him in the arse. Oh and sorry you couldn't get in to law school.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:28 am to Cold Cous Cous
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nothing you do in normal life generates more value than one billable hour
Right. The shift for me came when I realized that while nothing will generate more "money" than one billable hour, nearly everything will generate more value.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:28 am to Volt
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I think most lawyers need to hang it up.
i think it's interesting that people's perception of lawyers has anything to do with personal injury, morris bart, etc.
the closest i've come to a PI case even when i was more heavily into litigation was talking to a bank officer about a fat woman who broke a chair in the lobby. most of what i do is help people get where they need to go in the business world and protect their interests in a crazy complicated environment.
if people like me "hung it up," then all hell would break loose.
most lawyers don't advertise period, much less on billboards, busses and phonebook covers.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:31 am to udtiger
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Tired of dealing with idiots.
the grass ain't any greener, bro
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:32 am to McLemore
Relax. Volt is going to be a nurse. What do you care what some dumb chick looking for a doctor to marry under the guise of "helping people" thinks?
Let's get back to men talking and let her go paint her nails or look for shoes online.
Let's get back to men talking and let her go paint her nails or look for shoes online.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 10:34 am
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