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re: OT DIY fellas. Electrical.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:12 am to No8Easy2
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:12 am to No8Easy2
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First off do you have both of these pumps plugged into 1 GFCI? If so depending on the pump size i wouldn't recommend that, also these pumps usually have a built in ground fault in the plug so this could be a problem
Yes. It is a 4 plug box. The second plug is not used and is not GFI. Matter of fact it may be dead, which I assume could be the whole issue as well?
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have you noticed any breaker issues?
No. It is not tripped.
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also how big are these pumps, can you take a pic of the stickers on them or on their power cords?
Electric/magnetic standard pumps for ponds. I can only speak to their flow rate as I am at work. They are both 2400gph pumps. So I don't know what they draw as far as amps etc.
In addition we finally found that there is a live outlet on the other end of the pond. This is NOT GFI. it was used to for lighting around and in the pond it appears. It was also on a timer box. We removed the timer box and started pulling wires. Put the volt tester (live or not live pen tester) on the outlet and it beeps. I plan on checking this as well and making it a gfi plug as well.
When I pull the cover off of the main box I suspect a possible mess now after sleeping on this. With one gFI outlet and one non gfi. The second box across the pond appears to have proper conduit so I'd like to use it as well. This second box, as mentioned, is non GFI. It is right next to a pond so it is crazy by today's standards but what code was in the early to mid 80's I do not know?
Never buy a house with a koi pond is the moral to my story. Filling this fricking pond would cost a shite load of cash as well. Actual cement and flagstone border with a waterfall. I'd have to rent a jackhammer and buy a truck bed of dirt to fill it. And wheel the dirt in a wheelbarrow. So closing the pond is a ton of work or a $1000 check. And fixing the pond is less money.
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:15 am to baldona
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Chances are your pumps are going bad, when electrical motors go bad they draw more electricity which can then trip the GFCI.
I have done this in my pool. The hot tub is right by a proper GFI plug. Both pumps run like a top. One of the pumps DOES trip the GFI when unplugged. And only as I am physically pulling the plug?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:18 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Never buy a house with a koi pond is the moral to my story. Filling this fricking pond would cost a shite load of cash as well. Actual cement and flagstone border with a waterfall. I'd have to rent a jackhammer and buy a truck bed of dirt to fill it. And wheel the dirt in a wheelbarrow. So closing the pond is a ton of work or a $1000 check. And fixing the pond is less money.
How fricking big is this pond?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:21 am to terd ferguson
how big are the koi?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:32 am to terd ferguson
Pond guy estimates 3500 gallon. I use a guy to drain and clean it once every couple years.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:34 am to Deep Purple Haze
OP you realize that every plug doesn't need to be a gfci you just need one gfci per series right? The gfci is just an additional breaker essentially. Like I have 3 bathrooms all on the same series, but only one of them has a gfci. You don't need a gfci in each bathroom if they are all on the same series.
Point being, if all your outdoor outlets are on the same series they don't all need gfci outlets. I'm not an electrician, but that's way I've been told and how my house is laid out.
Point being, if all your outdoor outlets are on the same series they don't all need gfci outlets. I'm not an electrician, but that's way I've been told and how my house is laid out.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 10:35 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:34 am to Deep Purple Haze
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how big are the koi?
All babies now. 2 years ago my adults spawned. i may have 2-3 adults left. 10-12 fish total I believe. All koi. None larger and 12"
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:37 am to baldona
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OP you realize that every plug doesn't need to be a gfci you just need one gfci per series right?
Of course.
I've known this for at least 16-24 hours or so.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:43 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Pond guy estimates 3500 gallon.
Got dayum. I'd rent a bobcat, knock all that fountain and concrete shite into the hole and fill that fricker up.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:44 am to LSU alum wannabe
Also that last outlet we always assumed was dead. It has been buried behind weeds and never used. Could it be a problem in that outlet that trips gfi?
I assume this is the same circuit.with the layout of the yard I have to assume these are on same line.
Side question... I plan on buying a Craftsman Breaker detector. It comes with the gfi tester in the plug in piece. Are these decent for the weekend DIY guy that I am?
I assume this is the same circuit.with the layout of the yard I have to assume these are on same line.
Side question... I plan on buying a Craftsman Breaker detector. It comes with the gfi tester in the plug in piece. Are these decent for the weekend DIY guy that I am?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:46 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Of course. I've known this for at least 16-24 hours or so.
Before or after you installed 10 gfci's to replace all your outdoor outlets?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:48 am to LSU alum wannabe
Yes, any outlet can trip the gfci not just what's plugged into the actual gfci.
Use my 3 bathrooms on one gfci as an example, gfci is in master but someone in half bath drops a hair dryer in the sink then it will trip the gfci in my master. So definitely check all the outlets on the gfci series.
Use my 3 bathrooms on one gfci as an example, gfci is in master but someone in half bath drops a hair dryer in the sink then it will trip the gfci in my master. So definitely check all the outlets on the gfci series.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:49 am to terd ferguson
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Got dayum. I'd rent a bobcat, knock all that fountain and concrete shite into the hole and fill that fricker up.
Another problem. I'd have to take out fence and pay for some of the neighbors yard that I'd ruin.
And find a guy who can run a Bobcat. Pond is RIGHT between my house and neighbors shared fence and my pool deck. My luck I'd bust some of the decking and piping to the pool. THEN have to get real guys in there to the tune of 5-figures.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:52 am to baldona
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Before or after you installed 10 gfci's to replace all your outdoor outlets?
Outlets replaced = 0
That's why I am here.
Equipment purchased = 0
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:20 am to LSU alum wannabe
If the last outlet is attached to the gfci you can trip the gfci and ohm out the outlet and see if you are showing a short telling you the wire is grounded somewhere. Start isolating where the ground maybe.
A Megger woukd be more beneficial in finding a short as it induces a load large enough to detect any current being bled off somewhere.
Ohming may work if the short is a severe short and not just a knocked wire or something.
Where do you live?
A Megger woukd be more beneficial in finding a short as it induces a load large enough to detect any current being bled off somewhere.
Ohming may work if the short is a severe short and not just a knocked wire or something.
Where do you live?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:28 am to thejudge
Katy TX
Houston burb
Houston burb
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:35 am to Mr. Hangover
quote:Perhaps he's farming koi. In that case, possible OT baller. But, as you suggested he's probably got balls across the chin.
Yea, I don't think he realizes he outed himself as a gay, but we can get to that later
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:51 am to The Mick
Make sure you get appropriate permits from the city for changing outlets.
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