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Ohio State Fair Accident: Ride had visible crack at point of failure prior to accident.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:35 am
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:35 am
Inspectors fricked up.
https://www.dispatch.com/news/20171009/ride-inspectors-should-have-seen-fire-ball-problems-expert-says
https://www.dispatch.com/news/20171009/ride-inspectors-should-have-seen-fire-ball-problems-expert-says
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The interview with the Ohio Highway Patrol investigator started out predictably: How long have you been an amusement-ride inspector? What’s your training? What types of things do you look for?
But it ended on the photo that shows a large crack exactly at the point where the Fire Ball ride at the Ohio State Fair broke off, killing one man and injuring seven others, some critically. The photo was taken by a bystander right before the ride flew apart on July 26.
Did you see that?
“I can’t say definitively I did or didn’t,” responded state Department of Agriculture ride inspector Ron Dean, one of six inspectors who took part in clearing the Fire Ball for operation that day.
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What would your next plan of action be if you were to see something like that, the investigator asked.
“Well, it’s kind of hard to answer that, based on just a picture,” Dean said. “You know, and there is no specific course of action, per se. Everything’s kind of unique, and again, based on just the picture alone, I don’t know what direction it would go in that.
“That’s not something that we dictate what happens. We always fall back to the manufacturer.”
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While it’s not clear when the crack appeared, and it’s possible it wasn’t there when the ride was approved for operation the day it broke, what is now clear is that the Fire Ball was a tragedy waiting to happen. The ride, which spun riders 65 feet in the air, was close to breaking into pieces from interior rust.
An investigation shows there were other clues that things weren’t right with the Fire Ball.
Martin said one photo he noticed in a just-released Consumer Product Safety Commission investigation of the tragedy is akin to a “smoking gun.” It shows a severely rusted electrical box, part of the critical safety restraint system that locked and unlocked the over-the-shoulder safety bars on the gondola that broke off.
How did inspectors miss that rust when they checked off that the ride was visibly free of excessive wear?
“That’s enough right there” to shut down the ride, Martin said. “That box is supposed to be waterproof, watertight. I don’t have to warn you how dangerous water and electricity are.”
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The Highway Patrol’s final written report, released in August, never mentioned that an investigator had asked Dean directly whether he had seen the crack in photos. It also never mentioned that Dean couldn’t rule out that he had or hadn’t. Those facts were in recordings released last week.
Rather, the report said that investigators asked Dean “if he would have seen this crack, what if any action would you have taken?”
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The rusted electrical box Martin spotted is just above where the Fire Ball’s steel arm broke off, apparently from extensive rust on the inside of the beam. At some point, the beam had corroded through enough to reveal a crack where the arm eventually snapped off.
Photos showing that crack were among about 100 shots a bystander took before and after the ride broke. Although investigators mentioned the crack photo in their report, the Highway Patrol at first withheld the bystander’s photos, citing his copyright. The Highway Patrol released the photos last week after The Dispatch had already published a photo of the crack with permission from the photographer.
One of those newly released photos shows the Fire Ball swinging high in the air, loaded with children and adults. Zooming in, a bulge appears on a different arm than the one that broke, but at the same location where the failed arm cracked.
Were other arms also deforming from interior rust?
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Emails show that Dean still had problems with the Fire Ball as late as 4:23 p.m. July 25, the day before the ride broke. He sent a list of three problems to fix to Bill Costagliola of the ride’s owner, Amusements of America. Emails also show that inspectors periodically updated spreadsheets to show which rides had passed inspection.
The Fire Ball’s listing turned green, showing it had passed inspection, in an email sent out at 5:49 a.m. on July 26, about 13½ hours before the ride broke. Sometime between 4:23 p.m. on July 25 and 5:49 a.m. on July 26, state inspectors decided the Fire Ball was safe.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 1:41 am
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:38 am to GEAUXmedic
Cliffs?
Looks like somebody said the ride was good to go but it really wasn't I just scanned a few sentences.
Looks like somebody said the ride was good to go but it really wasn't I just scanned a few sentences.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:40 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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Cliffs?
Looks like somebody said the ride was good to go but it really wasn't I just scanned a few sentences.
TBH it's alot, you need to read the whole article. Cliffs won't help.
It's interesting, look at the pics i posted. The crack in the first picture is identical to the crack where it broke off in the second.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 1:42 am
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:42 am to GEAUXmedic
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The ride, which spun riders 65 feet in the air
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ride at the Ohio State Fair broke off
People can't appreciate a grand finale like they used to.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:42 am to GEAUXmedic
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How the frick does somebody not notice a 6" crack like that.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:46 am to GEAUXmedic
All joking aside this accident could have and should have been avoided. As yurin said I could see a hairline fracture being missed but a crack that big no way. People were not doing their job and a fine young man lost his life and several others got severely injured.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 1:48 am
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:34 am to yurintroubl
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How the frick does somebody not notice a 6" crack like that
And at such a critical location.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:49 am to GEAUXmedic
man I love that ride, but every time I'm suspended upside down I'm thinking "I hope the inspectors didn't frick up." not sure if I'll ever take that chance again.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 2:50 am
Posted on 10/17/17 at 4:13 am to GEAUXmedic
I used to work at a fab shop and every now and then when the fair would come to town we would get some fair rides come in for repair, and when I tell you I will never ride a fair ride again, I absolutely mean it. Most of the time they try to fix shite themselves and usually it's battery welds or those cheap arse flux core gasless welding machines, that aren't worth a frick and it looks like a cat shite all over the metal. My buddy warned me and then I actually saw it. Never ride carney rides
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 4:14 am
Posted on 10/17/17 at 5:27 am to GEAUXmedic
What good are inspectors, if they don't catch an obvious crack like that, or ignore it. Idiots.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 5:45 am to GEAUXmedic
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Did you see that? “I can’t say definitively I did or didn’t,” responded state Department of Agriculture ride inspector Ron Dean, one of six inspectors who took part in clearing the Fire Ball for operation that day.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:03 am to GEAUXmedic
I quit riding those rides while an engineering student and taking materials science and dynamics classes. Metal fatigue, dynamic stress and drugged out carnies do not mix well.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:08 am to NyCaLa
I'm pretty sure it's just some random guy with the fire marshal, with little training. Why don't they hire a welding inspector, and any other professionals that can assist in the process?
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:11 am to Rust Cohle
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I'm pretty sure it's just some random guy with the fire marshal, with little training. Why don't they hire a welding inspector, and any other professionals that can assist in the process?
All of their inspectors are through the ohio dept. of agriculture, and actually do have a lot of training, which makes this mind boggling. There has to be a reason they overlooked this shite.
In addition to the state inspector, they had another company inspect as well.
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Two other inspectors who looked at the Fire Ball worked for a private firm, Comspeq, on behalf of Amusements of America. The Highway Patrol interviewed them by phone.
John Dodson, one of the owners of Comspeq, is a retired Ohio Department of Agriculture ride inspector who worked for the state agency for two decades. He and a Comspeq employee, Tom Jones, told the Highway Patrol they noticed no rust, cracks or excessive wear.
Looks like the company likes to cover up as well.
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Toward the end of his interview with Highway Patrol investigators, Cesar Martinez, the man who was operating the ill-fated Fire Ball the day of the tragedy, was shown the crack photo.
“I didn’t see it,” Martinez said.
Earlier, Martinez had run from the ride as it was still slowing to a stop after it broke apart, according to photos and witnesses. The Highway Patrol had ordered that he be detained if he tried to leave the fair, but he was found 20 minutes later at Amusements of America’s office.
The same photograph was shown to Martinez’s supervisor, Davis Milan “Rico” Colon. “No, I never saw that. Nobody ever told me anything about that,” Colon said.
If he had seen it, Colon said, he would have shut the ride down.
Two former employees of Amusements of America told Highway Patrol investigators of ride-maintenance problems. Franklin Rictman of Coldale, Pennsylvania, said he quit because he felt that the company tried to cover up problems with its rides. Rictman said he helped assemble the Fire Ball at fairs across the country.
“I knew something bad was going to happen to one of the rides, but I didn’t think it would be the Fire Ball,” Rictman said.
Another man, who asked investigators not to reveal his name, said he saw employees paint over cracks so that inspectors would miss them. The Highway Patrol found a can of red paint and a wet paintbrush under the Fire Ball. The arm that broke was orange, but other parts were red.
The man said that those who work for Amusements of America have little training, work long hours and are threatened if they don’t comply with the wishes of their bosses.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 6:12 am
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:34 am to GEAUXmedic
A lot of frickery going on with this.
So Dean the inspector had a list of 3 items that needed to be fixed the day before. Then on the day of the "crash" it was all cleared at 5:49 am. So smetime between 4:23 p.m. on July 25 and 5:49 a.m. on July 26, state inspectors decided the Fire Ball was safe.
Yea i dont buy that at all. Your telling me that state inspectors are working those 3rd shift hours now? I call bullshite. My guess is someone was bribed or paid.
No way you have a list of 3 things, yet miss the huge arse crack.
So Dean the inspector had a list of 3 items that needed to be fixed the day before. Then on the day of the "crash" it was all cleared at 5:49 am. So smetime between 4:23 p.m. on July 25 and 5:49 a.m. on July 26, state inspectors decided the Fire Ball was safe.
Yea i dont buy that at all. Your telling me that state inspectors are working those 3rd shift hours now? I call bullshite. My guess is someone was bribed or paid.
No way you have a list of 3 things, yet miss the huge arse crack.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:39 am to GEAUXmedic
The Cliffs to this is the inspectors just half assed checked the rides, checked off some boxes, and went about their way.
Basically, this was unprecedented, and the inspectors weren't prepared for it
Basically, this was unprecedented, and the inspectors weren't prepared for it
Posted on 10/17/17 at 7:39 am to Tiger Nation 84
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Never ride carney rides
This is one rule by which I will always abide.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 7:40 am to GEAUXmedic
Sounds to me like an inspector pencil whipped a safety checklist and people died because of it
Also:
Shut that whole MFer down
Also:
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“I knew something bad was going to happen to one of the rides, but I didn’t think it would be the Fire Ball,” Rictman said.
Shut that whole MFer down
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 7:43 am
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