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re: Nola DA Leon Cannizzaro is a crooked piece of shite
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:01 pm to tLSU
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:01 pm to tLSU
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The sheriff's office has not received a per diem in years. If the individual is in jail, no one is receiving money from bail because he hasn't posted it. You are way out of your league.
You really are a dumb frick lol. Regardless of whether the inmate bails out of jail or not, he still goes through the booking process of being incarcerated with the hope that he can bail out. This generates money for the court. Now tell me again how there is no benefit in a high arrests rate?
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:05 pm to Maverick01
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You really are a dumb frick lol. Regardless of whether the inmate bails out of jail or not, he still goes through the booking process of being incarcerated with the hope that he can bail out. This generates money for the court. Now tell me again how there is no benefit in a high arrests rate?
Wait, didnt you start this thread about jail size? Have you swapped over to arrest rate now? People keep asking for the benefit of the judges by having people in jai, and you're dancing around hurling insults while looking like you have the IQ of a chimpanzee.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:09 pm to tLSU
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tLSU
Posts like this are why I still post here. Thank you
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:11 pm to Maverick01
Are judges arresting people now? Is the DA arresting people?
Look, my friend, your search for a nefarious motive is impressive but not persuasive.
The DA is electred to fight crime. To prosecute. That's his motive and his function. There's nothing sinister about needing more jail space.
What you're really arguing is that you want a smaller jail so that judges, the DA, the Sheriff, and the cops, will have their hands tied and be forced by circumstances to make fewer arrests, set lower bonds, give lower sentences, etc.
Yours is the ulterior motive here, not these players in the criminal justice system.
Look, my friend, your search for a nefarious motive is impressive but not persuasive.
The DA is electred to fight crime. To prosecute. That's his motive and his function. There's nothing sinister about needing more jail space.
What you're really arguing is that you want a smaller jail so that judges, the DA, the Sheriff, and the cops, will have their hands tied and be forced by circumstances to make fewer arrests, set lower bonds, give lower sentences, etc.
Yours is the ulterior motive here, not these players in the criminal justice system.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:13 pm to biglego
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And I'm not talking about state prisons either.
I kinda was.
I was actually referencing the guy in Slidell that basically called his PO to his home when he's holding 2 lbs.
I guess that's why they call it dope.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:16 pm to tLSU
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No, it doesn't. Give me the names of anyone arrested on a Marijuana third or fourth in the past two years. Hint: NOPD doesn't make those arrests, as MOTIONS doesn't have the capability to accurately show prior convictions. Those charges are never brought until the bill is filed after the DA has had a chance to run the III and get a cert pack. It's not a street charge in Orleans Parish and never has been.
Pay attention to what's being said. Reading is fundamental. We were discussing why the incarceration has dropped. Prior to the ordinance being instituted a substantial amount of the arrests came from nonviolent charges. If you don't believe me I can certainly cite sources for you, but it seems pretty straight forward to anyone with a brain at least that the ordinance played a role in lowering the incarceration rate.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:24 pm to Maverick01
So your goal, Maverick, is to reduce the incarceration rate. Okay. That's fine. I agree, depending on the nature of the offense and the risk that the person poses, but that's not how you started.
You started this thread by saying that Cannizzarro is a crooked piece of shite because he thinks the jail is too small for our needs.
It's starting to become clear that you are disengenuous and a slanderer.
You started this thread by saying that Cannizzarro is a crooked piece of shite because he thinks the jail is too small for our needs.
It's starting to become clear that you are disengenuous and a slanderer.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:32 pm to tLSU
quote:I meant convicted felons
Do you think it's more important for felony or misdemeanor offenses to be housed in the local jail where they can meet with their attorneys?
quote:That wasn't specific to the OP. It was more of a justice system as a whole statement. Mental health and substance abuse is not dealt with properly in a lot of situations. I have seen that first-hand. Yes I know exactly what a DA does. I have known two of them for years.
The statement about how many arrests is too much for a DA makes me wonder if you even know what a district attorney does.
Sorry about the confusion
This post was edited on 3/18/16 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:42 pm to Jimbeaux
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You started this thread by saying that Cannizzarro is a crooked piece of shite because he thinks the jail is too small for our needs.
Don't put words in my mouth. In my subject heading I said he's a crooked piece of shite. That's a general statement. In order to justify a budget increase for his office he wants to bolster his incarceration rate, so there is definitely a financial incentive there.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 7:50 pm to Maverick01
All about justifying their budget or potentially increasing it. Why do you think they both opposed decriminalizing grass. Do you really think they believe what they say. Hell Leon used to smoke when he was on the wrestling team at DLS and Frank DeSalvo was his coach. Anyone want to look at that connection?
Posted on 3/18/16 at 8:01 pm to Maverick01
If you knew anything about the new jail in Orleans Parish, you'd know that the reason it costs so much was because entire wings hand to be redone due to faulty engineering and craftsmanship. I don't know how you can blame Leon for it; Mitch Landrieu, Martin Gusman, and their cronies who got the construction projects are to blame. Not to mention, most of this started in the Nagin administration, and he's in jail for what? Oh yea, taking bribes from contractors.
This post was edited on 3/18/16 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 3/18/16 at 8:19 pm to VetteGuy
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quote: And I'm not talking about state prisons either.
I kinda was. I was actually referencing the guy in Slidell that basically called his PO to his home when he's holding 2 lbs.
Oh ok. Yeah there's a few guys doing real prison time for pot but not a whole lot. I remember the case you're referring to. That's was a barbaric thing the St Tammany DA did. If I recall, after much public outrage his sentence was reduced to a mere 25 yrs instead of life. Yeah, the guy was dumb, but if dumbness merited prison time then we'd need a lot more prisons.
I also am aware of the Bernard Noble case where Leon went all the way to the Supreme Court to get the pothead 13 years instead of the 4 he was going to get anyway. It's that kind of behavior that gets a lot of people irked about DAs when they ask for more money and jails. It just creates a bad public image even if those instances are negligible statistically.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 9:28 pm to Mr.Perfect
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Posts like this are why I still post here. Thank you
There are quite a few smart people in this thread. The criminal justice system is far from perfect, but has drastically improved.
Many places incarcerate a high number of marijuana and low-level drug offenders. New Orleans does not, but the ignorant will look at national statistics and demand "change" based upon that instead of what actually happens here. Are there people with high bonds on crack and heroin charges in OPP? Yep. And at their bond settings, the judge heard that he'd been arrested 130 times in Orleans Parish alone and is a super-quad who was released on 4 murders via 701 under Eddie Jordan.
Contrary to what the OP thinks, NOPD was never running around arresting people for marijuana possession. Marijuana was always a hanging charge with much more serious offenses, and has always been used as nothing more than a vehicle to get probable cause to arrest on something more serious. It's used that way today, and will be used that way long into the future. I imagine he's probably one of the people who thinks he had some impact on the jail population by supporting that ordinance, and I guess that's human nature, but the reality is the ordinance had zero impact....other than the fact that people who were once let go will now get a revenue generating ticket.
At the same time, there are certainly people who could be released from the jail today and would likely not pose any risk to the community. In my opinion, the City needs a substantial ankle-bracelet monitoring program, and I mean to the tune of 400-600 bracelets versus the 100 that the OPSO had (with an absurd CEA requiring them to keep 50 available for juveniles, regardless of actual need.) To accompany that, we need a police department staffed up enough to pursue violators quickly. Until the Judges have the confidence that no matter what time of day or night, he/she can log into a computer and see that defendant in his house where he's supposed to be, you aren't going to see many more bond reductions from $5,000 or $10,000 to RoRs.
Capping the jail size at 1400 beds was a terrible idea for many reasons. As previously discussed, it was an attempt to address a perceived problem by starting from the end and working backwards. It's similar to standing around and holding a hose until gasoline is thrown on the fire, then trying to fight it. A huge problem with the past strategy was the City patting itself on the back when the murder rate declined 3 years ago. That was a direct consequence of the multi agency gang task force, primarily the feds and the DA's office, rounding up all of 3NG and the 110ers. Where the City failed was failing to work on the then-teenagers who are now filling the void on the streets left when those two groups were removed. Today, we're seeing the result of that strategy as the murder rate climbs again. As long as you have clueless people who have never been acutally involved in the criminal justice system in positions like at the head of the criminal justice committee, you're going to see idiotic approaches to the problems in this city such as useless ordinances, absurd "admonishments" for prosecuting killers and robbers, and an artificially small jail that results in a ton of people being housed in North Louisiana. At the end of the day, people need to realize that our police department has been reduced to historically low manpower levels and now scrambles down a long list of 911 calls, having to ignore many and having no opportunity to patrol and attack crime. When the department begins growing, arrest numbers will absolutely increase.
Just yesterday, Guidry was back in the council attacking the DA for charging too many "children" who commit murders, rapes, and armed robberies as adults. 15 and 16 year olds who have stuck a gun in someone's face and either robbed or killed them, with Guidry more worried about their backgrounds and whether they should remain in the juvenile justice system, where they'd simply be released.
Interestingly, the Guidry strategy was tried a while back in the late 90's. There was a kid who came from a tough background, whose family did drugs, and who began selling drugs and committing armed robberies as a teenager. After each armed robbery he was arrested for, the records all indicate he was "released to parents" after less than 30 days in the youth study center. That kid's name was Telly Hankton, and the failure to transfer him over to adult court and launch him resulted in him ruling a section of the city for 15 years, leaving dozens of bodies in his wake, and costing the city and the feds millions to pursue and prosecute while innocent victims were gunned down in advance of his trials.
It's my hope that the voices in charge will stop listening to the loudest voices, which are the ignorant and uninformed like the OP, the Norris Hendersons, and the host of ex-con "activists" attacking the system for the sake of attacking it. Their arguments are always groundless, circular, and non-sensical (see every one of OP's posts in this thread.) Instead, they should surround themselves with realists and attack the problems we have in the right ways. Community oriented policing is the way that the violent crime is going to be reduced....where police are out of their cars, walking around and talking to residents so frequently that the criminals can no longer differentiate snitches from ordinary behavior. When people can freely talk to the police without fear of retribution, the community is instantly in a much stronger position to end the recurring violence. I know it's easy for Susan Guidry to scoop up simpletons like the OP, but in the end, none of that makes the City safer or better.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 9:38 pm to Maverick01
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This guy is as awful as they come. May he rot in the bowels of hell.
I have my own reasons for not liking him, and they go back to when he was District Court Judge.
It involved one of his sons and a certain teacher at a school at the corner of Banks & Carrolton.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 9:57 pm to tLSU
Dean Kelly sure doesn't seem to fond of him.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 9:59 pm to 20MuleTeam
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The Pope is Catholic
This right here
I thought being crooked was a qualification
Posted on 3/18/16 at 10:02 pm to Jimbeaux
any relation to andy ,our hitting coach?
Posted on 3/18/16 at 10:14 pm to Bayoutigre
No, different spelling.
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