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Posted on 9/20/14 at 10:41 am to porter8
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Posted on 9/20/14 at 10:53 am to StringedInstruments
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Evolution nullifies nihilism
I agree with Rust Cohle on this one... I'll let him explain.
LINK
Posted on 9/20/14 at 11:05 am to rbWarEagle
Old Rust is getting that from Thomas Metzinger.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 11:13 am to Draconian Sanctions
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t's all just a random lottery of meaningless tragedy or triump. There is no meaning, no good, no evil. No fairy tale endings like in the movies. No nothing. To be in denial of the one and only truth is to delude yourselve with the opiate of assigning value to the senseless. It's illogical and it's harmful to yourself because it sets up false expectations.
Read Camus's novel "The Plague" and come back to the thread after that, Grasshopper.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 11:52 am to Champagne
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Read Camus's novel "The Plague" and come back to the thread after that, Grasshopper.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:47 pm to lsu480
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No because that isn't as satisfying for most people as hookers and blow are.
Fixed.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:52 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Yeah, but Jesus.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 1:08 pm to JudgeHolden
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"Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things that a man needs to believe in the most: that people are basically good; that honor, courage, and virtue mean everything; that power and money, money and power mean nothing; that good always triumphs over evil; and I want you to remember this, that love, true love, never dies... No matter if they're true or not, a man should believe in those things because those are the things worth believing in."
But:
quote:-- Shakespeare, Henry IV Part 1
Well, ’tis no matter; honour pricks
me on. Yea, but how if honour prick me off when I
come on? how then? Can honour set to a leg? no: or
an arm? no: or take away the grief of a wound? no.
Honour hath no skill in surgery, then? no. What is
honour? a word. What is in that word honour? what
is that honour? air. A trim reckoning! Who hath it?
he that died o’ Wednesday. Doth he feel it? no.
Doth he hear it? no. ‘Tis insensible, then. Yea,
to the dead. But will it not live with the living?
no. Why? detraction will not suffer it. Therefore
I’ll none of it. Honour is a mere scutcheon: and so
ends my catechism.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 1:12 pm to Bayou Sam
Posted on 9/20/14 at 1:12 pm to Jimbeaux
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This is a form of humanism. This set of beliefs has very ill-defined borders, but basically places the individual at the center of a nebulous belief system. it has no practical application or real substance. It merely kicks the can down the road on questions of existence, morality, and the meaning of life.
Sheer nonsense. True, materialism has to deal with the problem that there appear to be "spiritual things"--like consciousness, "existence, morality, and the meaning of life."
But the converse, especially monotheistic theology, has to deal with the opposite problem: if spirit is the real meaning of things, where do matter, folly, evil, chance, chaos, and so forth come from?
Whichever side you come down on is completely irrelevant to the truth of humanism.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 1:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Existentialism is better. Judge yourself in light of absurdity.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 1:32 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It's all just a random lottery of meaningless tragedy or triump. There is no meaning, no good, no evil. No fairy tale endings like in the movies. No nothing. To be in denial of the one and only truth is to delude yourselve with the opiate of assigning value to the senseless. It's illogical and it's harmful to yourself because it sets up false expectations.
Everyone just interprets it differently. How you interpret life or what meaning you give it is each person's reality. It's all subjective.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 1:45 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Right......but wrong.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 1:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Nietzsche is my favorite philosopher, not because I agree with him, but because he was consistent and brought everything out to its logical conclusion without parasitically sucking off of the reservoir of Christian moral tradition.
He promoted Nihilism as the basic truth and then went insane.
He promoted Nihilism as the basic truth and then went insane.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 2:03 pm to AlaTiger
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He promoted Nihilism as the basic truth and then went insane.
The latter not due to the former, however.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 2:25 pm to rbWarEagle
BayouSam
Flagstaff was far from a nihilist. And his best friend and sponsor, Hal, certainly wasn't.
Yet herein will I imitate the sun
Who doth permit the base, contagious clouds
To smother up his beauty from the world
That when he please again to be himself,
Being wanted, he may be more wondered at
By breaking through the foul and ugly mists
Of vapors that did seem to strangle him.
If all the year were playing holiday,
To sport would be as tedious as to work
While that unlocked for doth most welcome come
And nothing pleaseth but rare accidents.
So when this loose behavior I throw off,
And pay the debt I never promised,
Then how much better than my word I am
By so much shall I falsify men's hopes
That like bright metal on a sullen ground
My reformation glittering oer my fault
Shall shine more goodly and attract more eyes
Than that which hath no foil to set it off.
I'll so offend to make offense a skill
Redeeming time when men think least I will.
I Henry IV Act I sc ii (from memory).
Flagstaff was far from a nihilist. And his best friend and sponsor, Hal, certainly wasn't.
Yet herein will I imitate the sun
Who doth permit the base, contagious clouds
To smother up his beauty from the world
That when he please again to be himself,
Being wanted, he may be more wondered at
By breaking through the foul and ugly mists
Of vapors that did seem to strangle him.
If all the year were playing holiday,
To sport would be as tedious as to work
While that unlocked for doth most welcome come
And nothing pleaseth but rare accidents.
So when this loose behavior I throw off,
And pay the debt I never promised,
Then how much better than my word I am
By so much shall I falsify men's hopes
That like bright metal on a sullen ground
My reformation glittering oer my fault
Shall shine more goodly and attract more eyes
Than that which hath no foil to set it off.
I'll so offend to make offense a skill
Redeeming time when men think least I will.
I Henry IV Act I sc ii (from memory).
Posted on 9/20/14 at 2:41 pm to AlaTiger
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and then went insane.
The result of syphilis and rejecting Jesus.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 3:08 pm to rbWarEagle
Yeah, everyone says that his philosophy and insanity were not connected. I tend to believe otherwise.
Think about who it serves to say that his philosophy had nothing to do with his following insanity? He was the most consistent philosopher we have seen. I think that he took his beliefs to their logical conclusions.
But, that is just my opinion.
Think about who it serves to say that his philosophy had nothing to do with his following insanity? He was the most consistent philosopher we have seen. I think that he took his beliefs to their logical conclusions.
But, that is just my opinion.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 3:32 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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There is no meaning
I dunno, but some cosmic frick or the other is screaming in my ear when I shoot inside a broad. Mean's something to me.
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