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Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:43 pm to 777Tiger
777, This the Sioux City crash? I heard the captain from that plane give a talk about it in BR. Very interesting hearing from first hand on it. Has anyone been able to duplicate that flight in the sim?
Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:58 pm to holmesbr
Al Haynes was the name of the pilot. He, the co-pilot and and instructor who was deadheading on the flight saved a lot of lives that day. Crazy story...
Posted on 9/19/14 at 11:07 pm to White Roach
The plane was at something like 1800 ft min descent when it hit the runway. Hospitals there were on shift change so well staffed and had practiced an airline crash like 2 weeks before. Amazing anyone survived.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 11:11 pm to BottomlandBrew
Is the pilot Joe Swanson?
Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:17 pm to meauxjeaux2
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Been in two engine failure single engine Cessna flights. Both times blew a jug out and oil running up the windshield. Both times glided to safety and walked away.
No thanks. Hope I never find myself in that situation.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:23 pm to White Roach
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Al Haynes was the name of the pilot. He, the co-pilot and and instructor who was deadheading on the flight saved a lot of lives that day. Crazy story...
yep, the deadheading instructor really saved the day, I've talked with Haynes a few times, an awesome gentleman, if you listen on the tape, shortly before impact, the controller tells them they are cleared to land any runway, Haynes laughs and reples, "Oh, you want to get picky and make it a runway, huh?" there's your Ice Man
Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:37 pm to The Baker
I really want to watch this video but I'm flying on Monday.
I wuss out.
I wuss out.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:38 pm to 777Tiger
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777Tiger
What are the built in redundant systems in a typical 737?
Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:42 pm to WoWyHi
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What are the built in redundant systems in a typical 737?
kind of a broad question but basically everything has at least one backup, in the case of the ones with a HUD and Cat III capable, three independent systems, the ones where I work do hand flown cat III approaches and landings, I think Alaskan does too
ETA: in the case of FAA Pt.121 certified two engine airliners the second engine is sort of a backup, as they are required to demonstrate that they can lose an engine on takeoff and complete the climb out profile on the remaining one
This post was edited on 9/20/14 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:43 pm to The Baker
I really don't think I'd be that scared in a plane crash, depending on the time of day and how much I've had to drink. Plane crashes are survivable more often than not. Think its like 97% survival rate.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:55 pm to OMLandshark
Are you drinking right now? I'd like more detail on that 97% figure.
Does each Cessna 172 deadsticking into a field count the same as an MD-80 plunging into Santa Monica Bay? One
survivable, one not?
Maybe it's in the definition of "crash".
Does each Cessna 172 deadsticking into a field count the same as an MD-80 plunging into Santa Monica Bay? One
survivable, one not?
Maybe it's in the definition of "crash".
This post was edited on 9/20/14 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 9/20/14 at 1:04 pm to 777Tiger
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I haven't read anything about this yet, but engine failure + smoke probably = uncontained failure, which could also mean loss of a control system, loss of electrical systems, and possible structural issues, not to mention that whole "really flammable gas possibly spewing from aircraft" thing.
you're right, what do I know? only been doing it for 34 years
to the avg person, an engine failure with a cabin full of smoke is alarming ... surely you understand that ... it didn't look to me as if anyone was making crosses on their chests or anything similar, but it's a situation most of us would find a bit unnerving, to say the least ...
Posted on 9/20/14 at 2:01 pm to tiderider
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to the avg person, an engine failure with a cabin full of smoke is alarming ... surely you understand that ... it didn't look to me as if anyone was making crosses on their chests or anything similar, but it's a situation most of us would find a bit unnerving, to say the least ...
I get that, my comments about jetblue were tongue in cheek, anytime there's a malfunction, emergency, bird ingestion, whatever, and the crew gets the jet back on the ground with everyone safe, they've done a fine job, I also understand the anxiety that most people have when flying, they are entering an environment that is somewhat unknown to them and are relinquishing a significant amount of control,didn't mean to sound flippant
ETA: my sarcasm tends to increase when I see the drama and gross inaccuracies that the media attach to every aviation "incident"
This post was edited on 9/20/14 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 9/20/14 at 2:24 pm to Uncle Stu
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-the oxygen masks did not deploy automatically, the flight attendants had to do them manually
Makes you wonder if it was done to help keep people calm more than anything due to the unclear air.
Its interesting because the last flight I had I wondered how often does those emergency oxygen dispensers get used.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 4:27 pm to OMLandshark
I think the majority of deaths in airliner crashes has been fire related and not impact. You have about a minute to get out or you are done from poisonous gases from materials burning. Much less now than in the past but still there.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 11:44 pm to Winkface
Me too. But I watched it.
Posted on 9/20/14 at 11:52 pm to LaFlyer
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I've lost many engines over the course of my career most of them in the simulator. In the real world I have had two. The first in a Cessna 421 Golden Eagle, it was an event. The second in a King Air 200 had a fuel controller that went away and was a minor event. Lastly in the simulator coming out of Denver hot and heavy in a GV, it's add some rudder input into the dead engine, trim it, and keep her in the command bars, climb out and try not to spill your coffee. The airline guys train twice a year I believe where we trained once a year. With the airline types I know and have flown with believe me when I say you're in good hands.
I'm not really sure what all you're saying here, but I am going to memorize it, and use it to get laid, if I'm ever hard up for pussy.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 8:02 am to MrFreakinMiyagi
Question guys. I'm very iliterate when it comes to flying. My grandfather was a pilot. Wanted to ask him before he passed about cabin pressures. What's the deal with these small planes ascending to high altitude and then everyone going unconscious and the plane crashes after running out of fuel? Shouldn't these planes have safety mechanisms to avoid that? Ie Payne Stewart flight or this last flight that crashed off Jamaica
Posted on 9/21/14 at 10:05 am to 777Tiger
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due to poor hydraulic design, and a cracked fan blade that had been outsourced for rebuild, but was pencil whipped and returned for service,
Wrong. The number two engine had a titanium fan disc come apart caused by an inadequate forging by the disc manufacturer. A titanium inclusion which didn't melt out during the forging of the disc (approximately 1/64" in diameter) caused a service induced stress crack which propagated during the life of the disc. Overhaul facility missed the crack at last overhaul and disc disintigrated during flight when crack reached fan blade root area. Subsequent uncontained explosion resulted in fan blade/ blades sheering all hydraulic lines in tail of a/c.
GE and the overhaul facility in litigation for many yrs over cause of disc failure.
GE saying overhaul missed crack during FPI inspection.
Overhaul responded cause was GE missing inclusion at UT inspection of disc at forging facility.
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