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re: More Fatties Than Ever Before in the United States of Inevitable Diabetes
Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:38 pm to ZereauxSum
Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:38 pm to ZereauxSum
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For the record, I think this argument is overblown. We're starting to see a lot of growth in wellness programs that give discounts on premiums to people who do the right thing health wise.
You're missing the point. The point is: despite the growth in these types of programs and despite the increased awareness of the need for the average American to get off his or her arse and move around for at least an hour a day, the obesity percentages, even if based on some sort of "flawed" metric (you can argue about BMI all you want), are on the rise.
Not enough is being done to curb the American population from eating itself to death and, if I were to put my Darwinian hat on, I don't particularly give a shite. Eat yourself to death and enjoy the ride.
But when I put my public policy hat on and realize that, in real world America, we actually treat these fat fricks for things like heart disease, diabetes, blood clots, and other weight related disorders and diseases, I also have to confront the fact that the insurance companies and the government are using my money to pay for that shite. And you can sit there and blame the insurance companies for not properly pricing their plans, that's fine (there's a lot that goes into that pricing which I won't get into and of which I am woefully ignorant), but if you want to blame the insurance companies, then you will have to expect a higher premium for you and yours. So, even there, you're having to pay for the fatty next to you in your cubicle or on your flight.
Regardless, more and more people are living longer lives thanks to modern medicine. Inevitably, we will have to care for them longer. If we can avoid caring for their fat related illnesses as well, then our medical bills and our ever more socialistic medical policy will be better off. The trend is suggesting, however, that we are F-U-C-K'ed frickED.
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Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:38 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:41 pm to More beer please
But you are. Which is why the term overfat has come into being in clinical circles.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:41 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:43 pm to More beer please
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Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:44 pm to DelU249
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i can't clarify this enough
1. There is a rise in obesity
2. It's a problem
3. I DON'T KNOW if BMI is legit or not.
4. I don't care to know
however, when you are defending something by saying "yeah there are a multitude of variables it doesn't take into account"...well, you're going to have skeptics; like me.
Again, I'll say this: BMI is not a very good indicator of overall health in individuals. It was not designed to be. It is, however, a pretty decent indicator of overall health in entire populations. If, out of 167,000 people polled, 50,000 had a BMI over 30, guess what? It's a pretty good indication that roughly 1/3 of the population has a BMI over 30, which means that, as a general notion, 1/3 of the population is obese.
That said, if your BMI is over 30 because you're 6'2" and weigh 235 lbs and you play linebacker for LSU, then you can probably throw the BMI statistic out the fricking window. It clearly doesn't apply to you on a personal level.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:45 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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But you are. Which is why the term overfat has come into being in clinical circles.
Ahh so I am "overweight" because some universal scale says so? Even though I am stronger/faster/healthier/more in shape than I was at any weight before this...all with a 6 pack?
yeah okPosted on 1/27/15 at 1:46 pm to More beer please
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Ahh so I am "overweight" because some universal scale says so? Even though I am stronger/faster/healthier/more in shape than I was at any weight before this...all with a 6 pack? yeah ok
How difficult is it to understand that BMI is not an accurate metric for individuals but is at least somewhat indicative of overall health in a given population? I mean seriously, people.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:48 pm to LoveThatMoney
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How difficult is it to understand that BMI is not an accurate metric for individuals but is at least somewhat indicative of overall health in a given population?
I get that, ole boy arguing with me doesnt.
I still the weights are too low for males.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:51 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:51 pm to DelU249
I know dude. How could I not after you posted your tits in that other thread?
A short male weighing 135 could be totally healthy. Even fit looking. If they're like 5'5".
A short male weighing 135 could be totally healthy. Even fit looking. If they're like 5'5".
Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:56 pm to More beer please
Yes. Do you know what weight is? It doesn't care what its makeup is. I'm not even saying its a bad thing. But at some point like around the obesity mark, it matters less and less what someone's body composition is and its just plain hard on their body. Look around you. The average 5'9" 190 lbs male has a spare tire, tits and at least one chin. I know you're the exception. But its just that: an exception.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:57 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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Posted on 1/27/15 at 2:01 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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Posted on 1/27/15 at 2:01 pm to DelU249
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Standard of living is just as high in European countries that aren't fat like America.
I've lived in Europe, most of Europe is impoverished, especially when compared to our standard of living
37% of Spain is unemployed...ever make your way past Germany? Europe is comprised of many different nations at many different levels of wealth and prosperity.
"I've seen shite that would turn you white"
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countries that aren't fat like America
so not being fat means what? That's my point why anecdotal nonsense isn't going to convince anyone of anything. You realize Europe has quite a few countries many would consider 3rd world right? also, not fat like the United States
Somalia
Uganda
North Korea
China
India
we can go on all day. We are fatter no doubt, part of that is prosperity. If you're skinny because you're starving and malnourished then congrats on your awesome BMI
This was all unnecessary. You didn't read what I wrote. I said:
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Standard of living is just as high in European countries that aren't fat like America.
I didn't say all European countries. Yikes man.
And I've lived in Austria, been to Germany, Croatia, Hungary, Czech Republic, Greece, Russia, etc. I've also been to most of the more western countries including the unemployed masses in Spain.
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We are fatter no doubt, part of that is prosperity.
That's a shitty excuse. This country has had prosperity for generations and didn't have this obesity problem. We just had a big recession and the obesity went up, not down.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 2:03 pm to DelU249
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but you can't separate when the discussion so often uses overweight as "unhealthy"
Yes, you can. That's the point I'm making. Throw out BMI as it relates to you individually. I can tell you that my BMI is 24.4, just inside the range of healthy for my height. I don't give a shite. If I put on 5 pounds, and I suddenly slide into "overweight," it doesn't matter. I know how healthy I am. That's why I object to insurance companies using BMI as a metric to determine insurance premiums for individuals.
However, if a sample is taken and 20,000 people out of 100,000 have a BMI of over 30, that should indicate that the population as a whole has about 20% of people with a BMI over 30. Taking into consideration that a part of that 20,000 people, maybe as many as 1,000 to be generous, are body builders or pro football players or whatever and they are "obese" because they have a ton of muscle mass, that is still any indication that roughly 1 in 5 people in the population are obese.
As for other countries' obesity rates, you're right: we can't compare the US to, say, Zimbabwe. But we can and should compare it to other well developed Western Civilizations like the UK, France, Germany, Italy, etc.
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and of course no one will acknowledge how much malnutrition and poverty contributes to how awesomely thin people in other countries are
The real problem is that people don't recognize how many people in AMERICA suffer from malnutrition, but on a large enough scale, even that is taken into account by a standard deviation. There's a reason why a range of Height to Weight ratios are used in the BMI to determine whether a percentage of the population is too thin, healthy, or fat.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 2:03 pm to TheCaterpillar
Especially when low income families are disproportionately fatter. In the states at least.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 2:06 pm to TheCaterpillar
Also, Greece's economy is an absolute dumpster fire and they lead the world in childhood obesity. Spain, which you mentioned as being 37% unemployed, is close behind US in the rankings FWIW.
Prosperity as an excuse for obesity just doesn't hold water.
Of course there are extremes, like African starvation.
Prosperity as an excuse for obesity just doesn't hold water.
Of course there are extremes, like African starvation.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 2:06 pm to TheCaterpillar
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