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re: Metal roof question

Posted on 1/29/15 at 6:57 pm to
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10258 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 6:57 pm to
About $450/Square for 24 gauge concealed fasteners, and high quality color (Kynar or similar.). Installed.
Posted by TIGER2
Mandeville.La
Member since Jan 2006
10486 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 7:08 pm to
Standing seam is not the same as screw down metal roofing. Standing seam is a hundred year roof. I 'am not a roofer and don't know how it is fastened, but there are no holes in the metal. My house had a small section that called for standing seam but it was going to cost about nine grand so I just went with seal tab.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28093 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 7:12 pm to
Yes, I understand.

If I was going to do a metal roof again (which I won't), it would be standing seam.

Given its significant expense over a shingle roof, I don't undersstand the attraction.

Posted by Restomod
Member since Mar 2012
13493 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 7:24 pm to
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That sucks. Bad installation? Or is it common


Very common, they swell and contract with the weather and notorious for leaks. There are high end here builders who refuse to install them.
Posted by pdubya76
Sw Ms
Member since Mar 2012
5967 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 7:28 pm to
I built in 2013 and went with a Galvalume metal roof.My house is a farmhouse style with 12 on 12 and it breaks to 6 on 12. I have 4603 sqft under roof and it cost 15800 for the complete job.The guy that did mine has been metal working for 30 years and did a great job.He used ZAK screws which have a metal hood over the gasket so it doesnt see sun or rain.My roof is decked with 7/16 OSB for strength.I went with a synthetic felt and put 2x4 lathing on it.It came out dang good and I would do it again.I never priced shingles so not sure how it compares that way.
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
37317 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 7:42 pm to
If you go metal, standing seam is 10 times better than an R panel for the life of the roof. A standing seam roof system properly installed, will never leak.

I don't understand why someone would put a metal roof on a house over shingles other than simple aesthetics. I am in the commercial industry and build several PEBs a year. We push standing seam panels over R panels every day of the week. The increase of cost on the roof is offset numerous times over after recognizing the savings by changing from a convential steel building to a PEB.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48829 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 7:54 pm to
Berridge Double Lock

This is probably the best on the market but not a cheap roof.

I have a copper standing seam on a large portion of my house and 30 yr shingles on the rest. They all leak at some point because they all have penetrations or base flashings that eventually break down. The standing seam will last longer but it by no means is a lifetime roof. It's a 30-40 roof but any roof is only good if it is maintained.
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
37317 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:01 pm to
I've done many Berridge double locks on buildings that have a low slope. We did 20,000 SF of a 1:12 a few months ago.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48829 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:04 pm to
You're in the roofing business on the Northshore or a general?
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
37317 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:16 pm to
Work for a general.
Posted by Libertariantiger
Member since Nov 2012
981 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:36 pm to
Also, no one has mentioned, I've seen metal roofs leak in valleys where they tie into another roof if it's a real heavy rain and wind. The way they lap shingles the same roof would be no issue.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48829 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:57 pm to
McMath?

And I watched a new construction on a house today nail shingles with zero flashing so shingles leak too.
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
37317 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:07 pm to
No, not McMath. I don't even know what Don has going on right now on the north shore besides the debacle that is the new Crime Lab.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
7543 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:11 pm to
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A good quality architectural shingle roof will last 20-25 years.

Other than going for a specific look, I have no idea why people buy standing seam.



I think there are lot of people (myself included) who will question that much longevity from a paper roof (shingles).
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
7543 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:15 pm to
quote:

I built in 2013 and went with a Galvalume metal roof.My house is a farmhouse style with 12 on 12 and it breaks to 6 on 12. I have 4603 sqft under roof and it cost 15800 for the complete job.The guy that did mine has been metal working for 30 years and did a great job.He used ZAK screws which have a metal hood over the gasket so it doesnt see sun or rain.My roof is decked with 7/16 OSB for strength.I went with a synthetic felt and put 2x4 lathing on it.It came out dang good and I would do it again.I never priced shingles so not sure how it compares that way.



Hooded screws are a great solution for a panel roof. I agree that exposed washers on the standard fasteners are a weak point for metal roof installation.

Standing seam is the ultimate system but can be a deal breaker for a residential application due to cost.

There really is no such thing as a "lifetime" roof but a standing seam metal with a good finish on it comes close.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28093 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:37 pm to
A premium 3D shingle will do that fairly easily.

Obviously, YMMV, but you can shingle a roof several times for the cost of standing seam.

Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
7543 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:43 pm to
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A premium 3D shingle will do that fairly easily.

Obviously, YMMV, but you can shingle a roof several times for the cost of standing seam.




I hear what you are saying but in practice what I see from most architectural shingles in BR is life in the high teens, 20 max.

That's not to say there haven't been some that make it longer but IMHO that is the exception not the rule. Additionally, the 25 year one will likely have some performance issues for several years before a replacement is forced (nail pops, broken tabs, leaks at ridge caps, etc.).

The storm history in the BR area has been a significant factor though. Even roofs that didn't require replacement have seen some severe conditions for the last decade or so.

Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28093 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:46 pm to
Yeah, I agree re: the storm damage.

I was assuming no weather issues, trees, etc.

I've just had great luck with shingles and piss-poor luck with metal.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
7543 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:52 pm to
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Yeah, I agree re: the storm damage.

I was assuming no weather issues, trees, etc.

I've just had great luck with shingles and piss-poor luck with metal.



I agree with your sentiment that for 99% of people shingles are the way to go. Besides if your building in a subdivision metal is usually not an option nowadays.

This also depends on how cut up the roof is. Even the best metal guy will have challenges with multiple valleys/gables/knee walls, etc.

But if you had a raised acadian on private land and you wanted the ultimate roof that could last the rest of your life a standing seam metal might do it.

Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45799 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:55 pm to
quote:

I have a copper standing seam on a large portion


Very nice, I love copper in residential construction...
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