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re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:54 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:54 pm to Chad504boy
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haven't followed, did they design the chart to fit the according narrative?
They wrote it following a mix of the narrative, timing of the videos, and the recording from the LVMPD radio feed from that night.
However, they did seem to write it in a manner which suggests they are questioning the truth of the official narrative.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:26 pm to eitek1
Can I get some cliffs on this timeline?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:28 pm to eitek1
I don't care what that article says. You can go listen to the audio for yourself, they waited on SWAT to breach the room because:
A) they didn't know what was inside the room. In their minds, there could be hostages or a bomb in the room.
B) They knew the body armor they wore for standard patrols could not handle the firepower Paddock was using. With civilians no longer in immediate danger, there was no longer a need for officers to take the risk to storm the room without proper protection.
They even explicitly said they were waiting on SWAT because Paddock had ceased firing on the crowd.
Also,
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There was one SWAT guy on the Ad Hoc team with a breaching charge
If he only had 1 charge, then how did they manage to breach the second room?
Because according to everyone involved, officers breached it with a charge shortly after they entered and secured the main room. Not enough extra time for SWAT to randomly show up if they weren't there before.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:31 pm to OweO
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From what I understand, I don't think he was targeting a specific kind of event. It was more about the perfect location where there would be a large group of people.
The perfect event would have been a rap concert like they had the week before. At the country concert the crowd was made up of older patriotic Americans, lots of firefighters and off-duty cops were in the crowd, and everyone there helped each other and that absolutely saved a lot of lives. A rap concert would have a much younger selfish crowd and the causalities would have been WWWWAAAYYY higher.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:33 pm to VaBamaMan
The two singular shots or of a small caliber gun different than what was being shot into the crowd. So did he shoot himself twice in the head?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:52 pm to VaBamaMan
I'm not doubting what you are saying becaus you have obviously looked at this more than I have.
Also, I never said the SWAT guy only had ONE charge I said he had A charge. The same SWAT guy could have had multiple charges.
Based on what you are saying one of the things below are true...
1. SWAT and only SWAT was the initial team that breached the room and the guys in the interview are lying.
2. The guys in the interview are telling the truth and when dispatch referred to SWAT she was referring to the single SWAT guy that was in the Ad Hoc team.
Do you have any other reference than the radio saying that a SWAT "TEAM" breached and cleared the room?
Also, I never said the SWAT guy only had ONE charge I said he had A charge. The same SWAT guy could have had multiple charges.
Based on what you are saying one of the things below are true...
1. SWAT and only SWAT was the initial team that breached the room and the guys in the interview are lying.
2. The guys in the interview are telling the truth and when dispatch referred to SWAT she was referring to the single SWAT guy that was in the Ad Hoc team.
Do you have any other reference than the radio saying that a SWAT "TEAM" breached and cleared the room?
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 10/16/17 at 6:01 pm to eitek1
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Do you have any other reference than the radio saying that a SWAT "TEAM" breached and cleared the room?
Sheriff Lombardo stated it was the SWAT team that breached the room.
He also stated the reason they waited an hour was specifically to let SWAT arrive and get set up so they could breach the room safely, and that they had the luxury of doing so because Paddock had stopped firing at the crowd.
You missed a possible option.
Option 3) the SWAT team led the breach, and were the first ones in the room, but the officers from the Ad Hoc team were also part of the breach team. The officers who interviewed with CBS were not the only 4 who breached the room. There were others with them.
Lastly, and I think this will be a big fricking deal in the long run, the officers' statements in the CBS interview regarding the note on the table, which everyone saw in the leaked pictures, have already been changed in the official narrative.
At the evening presser on Wednesday Oct 6th, 3 days after the shooting, Sheriff Lombardo stated there was a note, but he didn't know the contents.
The next night, at the evening presser on Thursday Oct 7th, Sheriff Lombardo stated the note contained numbers, and they were still researching what those numbers meant.
Then, 60 Minutes aired on the evening of Sunday Oct 10th, and the officers also stated the note contained numbers. However, they added that they read the note right after breaching the room. They also claim to have immediately recognized the note's contents as calculations for distance, velocity, and bullet drop, for various parts of the fair grounds. They claimed to have RECOGNIZED WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE THE SECOND THEY LAID EYES ON THE NOTE, LESS THAN 10 MINUTES AFTER BREACHING THE ROOM.
The very next night after 60 Minutes, at the Monday Oct 11th presser, Sheriff Lombardo was asked to clarify what the numbers on the note were. His reply was, "I AM NOT AT LIBERTY TO DISCUSS THAT".
So 3 days before 60 Minutes airs, the Sheriff states they are still researching what the numbers on the note mean. Then the officers on 60 Minutes claim to have recognized what the number meant the very second they laid eyes on the note. If the officers knew instantly, why was the FBI and LVMPD still researching the numbers 5 days later? And then everything is compounded by the Sheriff essentially retracting the information of what was on the note, and now telling us they can't talk about it at all.
This is only 1 of about 10 things they've completely altered, back tracked, side tracked, walked back, turned upside down....etc. Yes, Sheriff Lombardo warned us some details would change, but this many details should never change in an investigation. This whole thing reeks of uncooked shrimp left in a car in death valley for 12 days
So basically, who knows if all of the information they gave was correct.
Knowing the FBI, it's not impossible that the men in the interview might not have been the actual officers from the breach team. But were FBI guys who they trusted, because they didn't want a local officer accidentally giving out any information outside of the official narrative.
In all probability, that was the officers from the breach team.
Because the official narrative is more confusing than a king gender queer cuck queen who identifies as a pine cone.
Edit: I rephrased the final paragraph. Because while I don't trust the FBI in any way, form, or fashion. The FBI sending federal agents to play LVMPD officers in an interview is way too nuts for me. However, I don't believe it is outside the realm of what is possible.
To the silent down votes, how about you actually engage me in conversation, instead of sitting back and down voting what you don't agree with.
Because outside of the somewhat ludicrous idea that the FBI sent actors to the 60 Minutes interview. Everything I said is 100% accurate. The changes I listed are the exact changes to the official narrative and official information, and the timing of the changes are 100% accurate as well.
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:37 pm to VaBamaMan
Thanks for that. I agree with you that something is afoul with this investigation. They won't release ANYTHING and if you remember within hours they released video of Mohammed Atta going through security.
My take is that Stephen Paddock was the "setup man" for a Mumbai style attack. Here's why I think that.
1. Cell phones in the room (They won't say how many)
2. More rifles than one man can ever use.
3. Neatly stacked piles of magazines in different "stations".
4. Protective gear present ( They won't say what kind or how many. Could be ear plugs or plate carriers)
5. Utter lack of details on what's happening.
My take is that Paddock was paid in advance to do "this" whatever "this" is. That explains his ridiculous video power earnings in the prior years.
He was setting up and got surprised or something and had to follow through for some reason. Once he got started the folks that were supposed to join in just walked away.
The FBI wants the "team" to get complacent so there are no details out there.
Or something like that. Might make sense, who knows.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:46 pm to eitek1
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My take is that Paddock was paid in advance to do "this" whatever "this" is. That explains his ridiculous video power earnings in the prior years.
The is zero evidence he every netted a dime playing video poker, there is documented evidence he made considerable money from a real estate transaction.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:20 pm to VaBamaMan
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VaBamaMan
How big a check did LVPD cut you to spin their narrative??
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:27 pm to lsu480
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lsu480
Just say what you really want to. Come on, you can go it.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:18 pm to notiger1997
The sad thing is 99% of Americans don't give a sh$t what really happened with that shooting. As others have said, the whole story stinks to high heaven.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:11 pm to eitek1
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Cell phones in the room (They won't say how many)
Not only will they not say how many, but the way they answered the question when asked about the cell phones was fricking bizarre.
A reporter asked Sheriff Lombardo how many cell phones Paddock had in the room. Lombardo said he wasn't sure, and turned to the FBI agent in the room and repeated the question.
The agent replied by saying "I don't think it's prudent we give out that I formation".
After hearing this, Lombardo turns to the reporter and says, "I don't know how many devices the suspect had with him".
Couple of things.
A) If you don't think the FBI is handling this investigation, forcing the LVMPD to bend the knee to their authority, and hiding a lot of pertinent information for some reason unbeknownst to us, you are about as naive as a 2 day old puppy.
B) This exchange proved the FBI has all of the electronic evidence. Lombardo had stated this in the first week, but a lot of people still seem to think the LVMPD has all of the evidence, and are leading the investigation. They are not. If I'm not mistaken, the FBI has ALL of the forensic evidence collected from both crime scenes.
This next point, and it's two addendums, are the most pertinent, imo.
C) If Paddock was a crazy loner who rarely called family, never talked to his neighbors, and had no friends.
1) Why the frick does it matter if the public knows how many cell phones he had? How is it more prudent for that information to be kept secret?
2) Why the frick did he have more than 1 cell phone in the first place? His brother said Paddock always carried 2 in case 1 lost signal. But he didn't have any rental properties anymore, didn't work, and never called family. So why did he still need 2 cell phones? What kind of conversations was he having, that he had to always be able to make or receive calls?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:32 pm to Vegas Eddie
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How big a check did LVPD cut you to spin their narrative??
The frick? Have you even read my posts? I've mentioned the current narrative not fitting the events, the past narrative, or videos/leaked pics on numerous occasions. Even in the last 1.5 pages.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist like many in this thread. I don't believe the government planned and executed this. Simply because I've seen how our government works, they could never pull something of this scale off without something going wrong and people finding out.
However, I am most certainly not one of the people who believe every word the police say. The official narrative, and everything about this investigation so far, reeks. They've changed too many details, altered too many timelines, back tracked on too much information, and side stepped too many direct questions.
All of that being said, my timeline write-up still works, even if he didn't fire 200 rounds at the officers. Because they still waited for SWAT to arrive. Paddock still(probably) tried to pack up some of his guns and ammo to escape, accidentally shot himself, and then killed himself.
So, they haven't paid me a dime.
I'm directly in the middle between the crazies and the ones who can't think for themselves. I don't believe the correct official narrative for a large portion of the timeline. But there was NOT a second shooter. Not in a helicopter and not in a plane, nor on the ground or in a different hotel.
This whole thing is a shite show.
Edit: In addition to the fact I am not a LVMPD shill. I've been pushing a narrative no one else on this board has. One that's very contrary to the current official narrative. Namely, I believe Paddock accidentally shot himself in the lower right abdomen, while attempting to gather some of his guns so he could scape, and then committed suicide because he assayed the wound and ascertained that escape was no longer feasible. The cops haven't even acknowledged Paddock had a second gunshot wound yet.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 1:24 am
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:57 am to VaBamaMan
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That was from the security guard union, if I'm not mistaken. And at that point the hotel and union were still insisting on the narrative that Campos DID interrupt the shooting.
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That was from the security guard union, if I'm not mistaken. And at that point the hotel and union were still insisting on the narrative that Campos DID interrupt the shooting.
Maybe, but I heard the Sheriff say this live in either his 1st or 2nd interview
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:10 am to RoadTrucker
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Maybe, but I heard the Sheriff say this live in either his 1st or 2nd interview
Say what, that Campos interrupted the shooting?
Because if so, you did hear the sheriff say this. But they have changed the narrative multiple times since then.
Now the story is that Campos found Paddock and got shot BEFORE Paddock started firing on the crowd.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:16 am to VaBamaMan
I think one of the things that will drop is Paddock might of had a call girl up to his room at some point. Another reason to have 2 rooms. There are a number of girls that had “dated” Paddock and knew about his dark side. He even bragged about his dad and being evil himself.
Also, remember one of the chargers in the room didn’t belong to Paddock. LVPD came out and said it was in fact his but the story is they were perplexed about who that phone cord charger belonged too? Another thing to note was there was a meal for 2 sent up to the room. I don’t know if the FBI found this call girl yet but someone visited Paddock. I mean, think about it if you’re about to do this wouldn’t you call a girl first?
Also, remember one of the chargers in the room didn’t belong to Paddock. LVPD came out and said it was in fact his but the story is they were perplexed about who that phone cord charger belonged too? Another thing to note was there was a meal for 2 sent up to the room. I don’t know if the FBI found this call girl yet but someone visited Paddock. I mean, think about it if you’re about to do this wouldn’t you call a girl first?
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:19 am to VaBamaMan
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Say what, that Campos interrupted the shooting?
Because if so, you did hear the sheriff say this. But they have changed the narrative multiple times since then.
Now the story is that Campos found Paddock and got shot BEFORE Paddock started firing on the crowd.
I know they changed the story but I guarantee you I heard the sheriff talk about Campos saving lives. He made it sound like no more shots were fired after he interrupted Paddock. A reporter was talking about the Union giving their own credit and then the Sheriff went on to praise Campos in the way I described.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:25 am to VaBamaMan
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If he only had 1 charge, then how did they manage to breach the second room? Because according to everyone involved, officers breached it with a charge shortly after they entered and secured the main room. Not enough extra time for SWAT to randomly show up if they weren't there before.
According to the last timeline I saw, the suite was breached at 11:20. The adjoining room was breached at 11:27.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:27 am to VaBamaMan
This is interesting
Here is a pic supposedly of Campos getting his award on Oct 10th.That photo was taken at Jean Georges Steakhouse at the Aria. Notice the texture on the walls. The LCD Panel in the back. The chandelier
Here is the same room in 2013
This is why we ask questions. The steakhouse was totally redesigned in July of this year and now looks like this.
Story about the remodel
Here is a pic supposedly of Campos getting his award on Oct 10th.That photo was taken at Jean Georges Steakhouse at the Aria. Notice the texture on the walls. The LCD Panel in the back. The chandelier
Here is the same room in 2013
This is why we ask questions. The steakhouse was totally redesigned in July of this year and now looks like this.
Story about the remodel
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