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re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in bars
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:56 pm to NIH
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:56 pm to NIH
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It's going to take federal pressure or intervention to ever legalize marijuana in Louisiana. You do realize that, right ?
It may be a few years, but I think that there is to much money to be made off it via taxation and eventually red states are going to cave to money well.
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:57 pm to rocket31
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ohhhh its liberals who are against the legalization of marijuana
gotcha
You missed his original statement you douche.
I love that regressive arrogance though. Thumbs up. I
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:57 pm to Salmon
Then you do acknowledge that sometimes government action is needed to spur the market?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:57 pm to lsunurse
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Exactly. You can easily walk to the patio with your beer and light up. Some places have a bar on the patio so you don't have to walk far and can even sit at that bar and drink/smoke.
Nearly every bar where I live has a minimum of one bar outside.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:58 pm to TigernMS12
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In both places that I have lived that have bans, you can do either/or at every bar in the town. There is just designated areas to smoke. No one is taking away your ability to drink a beer and smoke a cig at a bar.
And no one is taking your ability to go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking inside. If a bar owner wants to allow people to smoke, then let them. It doesn't effect anyone who doesn't willingly participate by going into the bar
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and that's fine, but in my own personal opinion, the public interest outweighs the ability to make that decision. I would be much more sympathetic to your argument if the owner was actually facing some sort of appreciable injury, but he's simply not for the reasons that I already stated. Smokers are still going to come and more non-smokers will too.
Creating a ban eliminates a competing advantage for both sides. Everyone loses.
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The extent of everyone's freedom in this country, in my opinion, end where the exercise of freedom begins to negatively affect others. The vast, vast majority of laws in this country are based on this principal. Absolute freedom would allow you to do anything/everything from kill others to drive as fast you possibly could should you choose to. We limit this freedom in the interest of the greater society.
Then you should be arguing for the banning of ciggerettes in its entirety. Limiting businesses ability to appeal to smokers is not a public health issue, it's an economical one.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:58 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Michigan is smoke-free statewide, except for the casinos. I'm a bit torn on this. The arenas seem to accommodate the smokers really well with designated places outside. But, like you say, not every bar has a sweet patio area for the smokers. I get the arguments for the pregnant bartender who shouldn't have to suck down smoke every night, but the free market part of me doesn't like to see this legislated.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:59 pm to TigernMS12
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Not once liberal states started to see how much money could made off of it and realized it's not the green devil. I actually thing marijuana should be deregulated and treated just like alcohol and tobacco.
Well shite, welcome to the free market. Have a beer. Or don't, you can decide for yourself!
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:00 pm to NIH
I'm fine with the government intervening to give the citizens more freedoms.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:00 pm to wildtigercat93
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If I made a thread saying anyone who doesn't smoke is a pussy then I'd probably get some dumb responses from non smokers.
Actually you would get laughter, mocking and non serious answers.
"Hey, lets go start putting tar and rat poison in our hearts and lungs. Sounds like it would be so fun!!!!"
Kinda different than the rage you saw in yesterday's thread. Non smokers have the high ground, morally, logically and scientifically compared to smokers who ignore science and simple facts because they can't break the addiction and the fact they make everyone's insurance go up.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:01 pm to Sentrius
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Actually you would get laughter, mocking and non serious answers.
Exactly my point. It doesn't make non smokers irrational.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:04 pm to Salmon
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I absolutely agree with this, but this isn't the case when it comes to smoking in privately owned businesses because those patrons freely choose to go to these businesses.
And I would agree with this; however, smoking bans that allow for patio smoking take nothing away from smokers but give non-smokers a greater amount of choice on where to go. If I go to a bar that allows smoking inside, yes I willfully put myself there, but why not give everyone what they want. Smokers are free to smoke and drink at the bar on a patio and non-smokers can enjoy a smoke free environment.
I would be much more apt to agree with everyone on the other side of the argument if it was a blanket ban on all smoking where smokers couldn't go to the bar and smoke period, but that's not the case.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:05 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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I don't understand your confusion?
I'm not confused. Just asking why as to ZERO personal freedom as far as smoking is concerned.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:05 pm to wildtigercat93
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Not once liberal states started to see how much money could made off of it and realized it's not the green devil. I actually thing marijuana should be deregulated and treated just like alcohol and tobacco.
Well shite, welcome to the free market. Have a beer. Or don't, you can decide for yourself!
Did you just become one of my favorite posters?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:05 pm to mikrit54
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More individual freedom taken away.
Nobody's saying you can't smoke. Just can't smoke inside
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:05 pm to Sentrius
quote:ok, but this has literally nothing to do with the legality of smoking in bars.
Kinda different than the rage you saw in yesterday's thread. Non smokers have the high ground, morally, logically and scientifically compared to smokers who ignore science and simple facts because they can't break the addiction and the fact they make everyone's insurance go up.
and again, not everyone who smokes at a bar (you know, a place to drink and smoke) smokes regularly. i know a lot of people like to smoke a few when they're drinking, myself included. not every bar is an upscale lounge or craft brewery.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:05 pm to TigernMS12
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but why not give everyone what they want.
This is fine, but let the owner decide this, NOT the government
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:06 pm to wildtigercat93
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Exactly my point.
No it doesn't.
You saw pure defensive rage from smokers yesterday.
We're not the ones with the suicidal self destructive behavior to defend and instead have the high ground.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:07 pm to Masterag
quote:it's not the smoker's rights being taken away, it's the bar owner's right to allow smoking in his establishmentquote:Nobody's saying you can't smoke. Just can't smoke inside
More individual freedom taken away.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:08 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Yeah this argument has nothing to do with smokers. It's all about the property owners rights.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:11 pm to Salmon
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This is fine, but let the owner decide this, NOT the government
The point. Exactly.
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