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re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by OKellsBells on 6/25/17 at 7:49 pm to Honky Lips
I don't have time to read through y'alls arguments.
My opinion is that smoking inside a bar should not be allowed.
My opinion is that smoking inside a bar should not be allowed.
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by mikrit54 on 6/25/17 at 7:50 pm to TigernMS12
Ok. This has nothing to do with a choice of where to work.
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by mikrit54 on 6/25/17 at 7:53 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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This could extend to toilets, food storage, hand washing, any number of health codes. "Let the owner decide. Let the market determine where people are getting the shits and they will stop going there? Who is the government to tell a man who has cooked chicken wings for 30 years how to prepare or store his wings? His business his choice. "Hi
Well, if you feel that the hand washing and cooked chicken is a bit shady, don't go.
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by TigernMS12 on 6/25/17 at 7:58 pm to mikrit54
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Ok. This has nothing to do with a choice of where to work.
You stated:
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But since smoking is not illegal it comes down to his choice.
This is implying that smoking should not be subject to regulation because it is not illegal, when in fact, there are a multitude of legal acts/substances that are subject to regulation. Smoking is legal, but it is still subject to regulation. The fact that you have to be 18 to buy is nothing more than a regulation on an otherwise legal act. A regulation of where you can smoke is no different than a regulation on where you can drink.
This post was edited on 6/25 at 8:03 pm
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by Honky Lips on 6/25/17 at 7:58 pm to mikrit54
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Well, if you feel that the hand washing and cooked chicken is a bit shady, don't go.
So without regulation, how are you supposed to know that a restaurant is using unsanitary practices? Wait until you get sick?
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by mikrit54 on 6/25/17 at 8:09 pm to TigernMS12
None of this is about smoking. For those who don't mind government inserting itself ever more in personal freedoms, then fine. Some don't.
Assuming smoking is regulated out, what's next?
Assuming smoking is regulated out, what's next?
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by Honky Lips on 6/25/17 at 8:11 pm to mikrit54
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None of this is about smoking. For those who don't mind government inserting itself ever more in personal freedoms, then fine. Some don't.
Your personal freedoms are only protected until they infringe on the personal freedom of others.
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by mikrit54 on 6/25/17 at 8:14 pm to Honky Lips
Okay. And? What's the argument?
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by YNWA on 6/25/17 at 8:17 pm to Honky Lips
Ohio passed this like 10 years ago. Same shite being said on here was the same shite people said back then, pro and con. It's actually great. You can smoke on the patio which the majority of restaurants and bars have now to accommodate the smokers. Plus your kids aren't breathing in second hand smoke at restaurants. It's a huge difference living in a smoke free city then visiting a place like Vegas where the casinos are one big smoke cloud. People will adapt in Mandeville.
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by Salmon on 6/25/17 at 8:19 pm to Honky Lips
You are infringing on the freedoms of others with your support of this legislation.
That is the point.
That is the point.
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re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by Honky Lips on 6/25/17 at 8:21 pm to Salmon
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You are infringing on the freedoms of others with your support of this legislation.
Your smoking infringes on my personal freedoms.
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by mikrit54 on 6/25/17 at 8:23 pm to Honky Lips
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Your smoking infringes on my personal freedoms.
How?
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by Salmon on 6/25/17 at 8:24 pm to Honky Lips
I don't smoke. I'm repulsed by smoking. I just believe in personal liberty.
But if I did, and you freely choose to enter a private business that allows smoking, then that is your personal choice, not mine.
How some of you cannot understand this, I'll never understand.
But if I did, and you freely choose to enter a private business that allows smoking, then that is your personal choice, not mine.
How some of you cannot understand this, I'll never understand.
This post was edited on 6/25 at 8:25 pm
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by Honky Lips on 6/25/17 at 8:25 pm to mikrit54
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How?
Because I have the right to live my life how I please without your choices affecting my health.
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by mikrit54 on 6/25/17 at 8:28 pm to Honky Lips
Yep.
Can one go outside 25 feet away from the door, and have one? Or to a smokers patio in the back, away from everyone?
Can one go outside 25 feet away from the door, and have one? Or to a smokers patio in the back, away from everyone?
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I don't smoke. I'm repulsed by smoking. I just believe in personal liberty.
But if I did, and you freely choose to enter a private business that allows smoking, then that is your personal choice, not mine.
How some of you cannot understand this, I'll never understand.
yep and if i know the establishment is pro-smoking, i just avoid going
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by TigernMS12 on 6/25/17 at 8:41 pm to mikrit54
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For those who don't mind government inserting itself ever more in personal freedoms, then fine. Some don't.
It's a "freedom" with no consequence. This entire argument is mute anyway; courts have repeatedly upheld the ordinances and local communities across the nation continue to vote to enact them. You keep speaking of freedom, but the most basic of all freedoms we enjoy in this country is that the government serves at the pleasure of we, the electorate. They effectuate our collective ideals and what we want for our local communities, states, and country. Everyone of those city councilman that are contemplating this are where they are because the individuals in that community put them there. They weren't appointed by a some person in some far away place, nor did they simply take the position because they could. In essence, it's the community enacting the ordinance through representation, which is exactly how the founding fathers designed this country to work (i.e. original intent).
Hardcore republicans and democrats alike, as much as everyone talks about original intent and textualism, seem to forget the most basic intent of our founding fathers whenever a law comes into being that they disagree with: a democratic republic where we select people to enact and carry out the laws that we value. No law gets passed without the will of the people; it's simply not possible because the people enacting the laws are only able to do so because we elect them.
Moreover, as I said before, you, nor I, nor anyone else in this country has unlimited freedom. The only freedoms we have are those that are enumerated in the Constitution or implicitly flow from those freedoms. I can say without a doubt there is no personal freedom to choose whether or not to allow smoking in your place of business. In fact, the constitution expressly gives the government (specifically legislative branches) not only the ability, but the absolute right to regulate commerce, which is completely contrary to the assertion that store owners have some implicit freedom to choose all the manners and methods by which his business operates.
Business owners have the freedom to choose how to operate their business to the extent that the government allows. This isn't some recent idea or statute enacted by big government or liberals. It's in the main text of the constitution and actually precedes the Bill of Rights. That's how important government regulation of commerce was to the founding fathers. If you actually read some of the writings of the drafters of the constitution you will find that they believed that the rights and dignities of the general public supersede those of a business owner when he opens his place of business and invites in the general public, thus the government has the right to regulate.
This post was edited on 6/25 at 8:47 pm
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by Honky Lips on 6/25/17 at 8:47 pm to TigernMS12
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It's a "freedom" with no consequence. This entire argument is mute anyway; courts have repeatedly upheld the ordinances and local communities across the nation continue to vote to enact them. You keep speaking of freedom, but the most basic of all freedoms we enjoy in this country is that the government serves at the pleasure of we, the electorate. They effectuate our collective ideals and what we want for our local communities, states, and country. Everyone of those city councilman that are contemplating this are where they are because the individuals in that community put them there. They weren't appointed by a some person in some far away place, nor did they simply take the position because they could. In essence, it's the community enacting the ordinance through representation, which is exactly how the founding fathers designed this country to work (i.e. original intent).
Hardcore republicans and democrats alike, as much as everyone talks about original intent and textualism, seem to forget the most basic intent of our founding fathers whenever a law comes into being that they disagree with: a democratic republic where we select people to enact and carry out the laws that we value. No law gets passed without the will of the people; it's simply not possible because the people enacting the laws are only able to do so because we elect them.
Moreover, as I said before, you, nor I, nor anyone else in this country has unlimited freedom. The only freedoms we have are those that are enumerated in the Constitution or implicitly flow from those freedoms. I can say without a doubt there is no personal freedom to choose whether or not to allow smoking in your place of business. In fact, the constitution expressly gives the government (specifically legislative branches) not only the ability, but the absolute right to regulate commerce, which is completely contrary to the assertion that store owners have some implicit freedom to choose all the manners and methods by which his business operates.
Business owners have the freedom to choose how to operate their business to the extent that the government allows. This isn't some recent idea or statute enacted by big government or liberals. It's in the main text of the constitution and actually precedes the Bill of Rights. That's how important government regulation of commerce was to the founding fathers. If you actually read some of the writings of the drafters of the constitution you will find that they believed that the rights and dignities of the general public supersede those of a business owner when he opens his place of business to the general public, thus the government has the right to regulate.
Post of the day by far. Bravo.
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by LSU alum wannabe on 6/25/17 at 8:49 pm to OKellsBells
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I don't have time to read through y'alls arguments.
My opinion is that smoking inside a bar should not be allowed.
I've neither the time for your directness, nor your lack of hyperbole. As a matter of fact, I resent it.
re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in barsPosted by LSU alum wannabe on 6/25/17 at 8:51 pm to mikrit54
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Well, if you feel that the hand washing and cooked chicken is a bit shady, don't go.
Slippery slope sir..... Literally can be.
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