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re: Louisiana to require job training for thousands of food stamp recipients
Posted on 4/21/16 at 5:27 pm to airportwhiskey
Posted on 4/21/16 at 5:27 pm to airportwhiskey
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If the kids are k-12, why would the parents be justified in being unemployed?
Since when is justification required for those folks?
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 5:28 pm to WPBTiger
Where are they supposed to get this training?
Posted on 4/21/16 at 5:30 pm to WPBTiger
By childless does that mean no kids you actively help raise or just haven't fathered any kids?
Posted on 4/21/16 at 5:36 pm to Count Chocula
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So what does that come to, 1% of the recipients?
Actually, a lot of people are childless on food stamps. It's one of the driving reasons that "poor" people don't get married. The mom can get benefits as a single mom and the dad gets less as childless, but that's made up for by the mother's benefits. OR both parents separate of each other will claim the children.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:14 pm to WPBTiger
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About 47,000 food stamp recipients are estimated to be affected by Thursday's order.
So less than 5%
Even if only 20% of those 47,000 have only one kid the state will end up losing money because not only will those 20% be eligible, but they will have also each added an equal number of new recipients by having a kid so that 5% has just turned to 3%. Then on top of that the state will have to pay out benefits to the kids in the form of healthcare, cash benefits etc which will result in a net loss for the state. This program would be great but they need to make it applicable to everyone aged 18-65 regardless if they have kids or not. quote:
Actually, a lot of people are childless on food stamps. It's one of the driving reasons that "poor" people don't get married. The mom can get benefits as a single mom and the dad gets less as childless, but that's made up for by the mother's benefits. OR both parents separate of each other will claim the children.
This is supposed to apply to 47,000 people and your state has around a million people on food stamps. Less than 5% isn't "a lot" to me.
This post was edited on 4/21/16 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:27 pm to WPBTiger
this is bullshite. In 5 yrs I will be receiving a life-changing inheritance. So what is the point of me working? I've been on food stamps the last several yrs counting down the days until I receive my inheritance. What does the State expect me to do? Pick up cans on the side of the road?
Frick the government. They can't get anything right
Frick the government. They can't get anything right
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:29 pm to WPBTiger
quote:Yeah, that's not gonna happen ever. Besides, they'll just have kids, kids, and more kids if it does
Gov. John Bel Edwards will require thousands of non-working, childless adults who receive food stamps to participate in job search and skills training programs to continue getting the assistance.
This post was edited on 4/21/16 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:32 pm to jrodLSUke
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payed
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:32 pm to WPBTiger
Doesn't require they actually work...only give the appearance of trying to get a job.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:34 pm to WPBTiger
I don't understand why welfare and food stamp recipients who are reasonably healthy aren't required to do some kind of community service in exchange for the government money they receive.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:37 pm to WPBTiger
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83% of all SNAP/food stamp benefits go to households with a child, senior, or disabled person. Most food stamp recipients are children and the elderly.
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Food stamp spending is a tiny fraction of overall government spending—just 2%
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Unlike our overseas engagements, the food stamps program is highly efficient in terms of bang for the tax-payers’ bucks: it reaches the majority of people who need it and has been shown to help lift 4.7 million people out of poverty (reducing child poverty by 3%), thereby reducing those societal costs.
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Each dollar spent in food stamp benefits generates nearly double that in local economic activity
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The majority of Americans have consistently supported the food stamp program and think cutting it is the wrong way to reduce government spending.
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The average monthly food stamp benefit per person is only $133.85, or less than $1.50 per person, per meal. Between 2009-2011 the purchasing power of food stamps declined by about 7%, or $47/month for a family of four, due to inflation in the cost of food. Only 55% of food insecure individuals are income-eligible for food stamps, and 29% are not income-eligible for any federal food assistance.
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Food stamp recipients are not lazy. Most food stamp recipients are senior citizens on a reduced income, people with disabilities, or working families with children who are not making enough to cover rent, heating, health care costs, and other necessary expenses, including food.
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The overwhelming majority of SNAP recipients who can work do so. Among SNAP households with at least one able-bodied adult, more than half work while receiving SNAP, and more than 80 percent worked in the year prior to or the year after receiving SNAP. These rates are even higher for families with children.
There just seems to be a ton of misconceptions when it comes to this. People assume the worst with this.
I am all for cracking down on eligibility for food stamps, but keep in mind a majority of people actually do need this as they have no way to work due to disability/elderly/kids who qualify. Also, if you want to be mad about your tax dollars being spent.. perhaps channel it against other terrible spending and corruption.. this doesn't account for a big percentage of spending.. and it provides huge returns for the community.
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Despite such allegations, the USDA, which administers SNAP/food stamps, and the GAO, an independent federal agency charged with auditing and evaluating government programs, have definitively shown such arguments to be false. Furthermore, there is much less fraud in the food stamp program than the hundreds of millions of dollars in fraud in the farm programs that other members of Congress seem determined to protect.
I don't know if I believe this, but I would consider cracking down on any who are receiving it falsely. They should enforce who truly qualifies. I am fine with food stamps for true disabled & very elderly.
This post was edited on 4/21/16 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:40 pm to kywildcatfanone
A whole lot of misinformation in this thread. These job skills training courses and classes are already being held. Many of them are in large classrooms with a lot of empty chairs. The classes will be held one way or the other. The employees will be paid to help them regardless.
The difference is that a huge faction of people will simply not show up. Their laziness and apathy will result in a net savings to the taxpayer because they will be disqualified for benefits. Even if they go in and comply, they'll lose their rights to the benefits for the weeks in which they were disqualified.
The other funny thing is that this only became a political hot potato when Jindal finally decided not to request the transfer as he left office. Almost 8 years of asking for it, and we're up in arms for it now only because it's a Democratic Governor. At first he was going to ask for the waiver and he was excoriated. Then he's going to go ahead and stop asking for it, and he's excoriated.
Look I think I'd rather a conservative in office and I am a conservative. But let's not hyperventilate here when it appears this entire issue was something Jindal used as a nice little hand-grenade for Edwards to have to deal with.
As if the budget mess wasn't enough...
The difference is that a huge faction of people will simply not show up. Their laziness and apathy will result in a net savings to the taxpayer because they will be disqualified for benefits. Even if they go in and comply, they'll lose their rights to the benefits for the weeks in which they were disqualified.
The other funny thing is that this only became a political hot potato when Jindal finally decided not to request the transfer as he left office. Almost 8 years of asking for it, and we're up in arms for it now only because it's a Democratic Governor. At first he was going to ask for the waiver and he was excoriated. Then he's going to go ahead and stop asking for it, and he's excoriated.
Look I think I'd rather a conservative in office and I am a conservative. But let's not hyperventilate here when it appears this entire issue was something Jindal used as a nice little hand-grenade for Edwards to have to deal with.
As if the budget mess wasn't enough...
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:46 pm to beauchristopher
You know how easy it is to declare yourself disabled and your kids with a learning disability? There are places that will walk you through the process of getting the most money possible by doing the least amount of work
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:19 pm to GFunk
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this only became a political hot potato when Jindal finally decided not to request the transfer as he left office. Almost 8 years of asking for it, and we're up in arms for it now only because it's a Democratic Governor. At first he was going to ask for the waiver and he was excoriated. Then he's going to go ahead and stop asking for it, and he's excoriated.
Yep. You can bet that if Jindal or Vitter was doing the same thing, folks would be shouting their praises.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:20 pm to WPBTiger
"Childless adults"....
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:30 pm to kywildcatfanone
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I don't understand why welfare and food stamp recipients who are reasonably healthy aren't required to do some kind of community service in exchange for the government money they receive.
BC 80% of the state workers already are working for the state.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:41 pm to WPBTiger
All this means is we'll have more kids to support. Those stupid fricks would rather have a kid then have a job or job training.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:43 pm to WPBTiger
What ever happened to on the job training? Like getting off your arse and going apply at places and not being a worthless scum bag and getting hired and then learning what to do?
Posted on 4/22/16 at 11:21 am to beauchristopher
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Food stamp spending is a tiny fraction of overall government
People always like to say this crap but the bottom line if we were to cut that "tiny fraction" and pass the savings along equally to people who actually pay taxes it would save each of us over $750 a year.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 11:38 am to lsu480
You seriously think you pay $750 a year in food stamp taxes?
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