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Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:27 am to OceanMan
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TOPS has absolutely nothing to do with keeping the best and brightest in state.
Come on man.
Functionally, it appears to keep the top 30% of Louisiana high school graduates in the state. Make what you will out of that approximation.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:28 am to OceanMan
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Individual income taxes wouldn't change in the scenario,
but it wouldn't go up
all of this is leading to a tax increase
whether it's sales, income, fuel......it doesn't really matter
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:30 am to therick711
quote:The state of Louisiana has become very blind to what is going on. TOPS "may" have been designed to keep the best and brightest at home, but it is rewarding the very average as well. At the same time they are financially punishing higher achieving out-of-state students. Those same students qualify for more scholarships at Alabama than they do at LSU.
That being said, the core GPA can and should be raised to help the program remain viable.
Eventually only the kids of die-hard LSU fans will attend LSU from out of state, because the cost of tuition will lead them to other schools for financial reasons.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:31 am to therick711
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Functionally, it appears to keep the top 30% of Louisiana high school graduates in the state. Make what you will out of that approximation.
I would say it at least has something to do with keeping the best and brightest in state.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:33 am to Oddibe
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but it is rewarding the very average as well.
Right now about 30% of Louisiana High School graduates claim the award. One can surmize that those students are around the top 30% of what our high schools put out. I'm not sure how a top 30% achiever in this state is considered average. You might think it should be higher, and that is fine, but as compared to their peers, TOPS recipients are decisively above average. They also perform very well in college compared to non-TOPS students.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:35 am to yellowfin
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Individual income taxes wouldn't change in the scenario,
but it wouldn't go up
all of this is leading to a tax increase
whether it's sales, income, fuel......it doesn't really matter
I'm not sure I follow...
I am simply implying that holding all else equal, less disposable income leads to less tax revenue.
You disagree?
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:40 am to danilo
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Please inform
read my reply to that post. If you are correct that students come out of pocket by $1400/semester ($2800/yr) for required enrollment fees, then there would be no net effect on those students because the max credit is $2000/year (lifetime learning credit). So assuming the $2800 is all eligible (and that all students have a uniform income for simplicity), the credit would be all used up by the time the tuition increase hits anyway.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:51 am to Oddibe
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The state of Louisiana has become very blind to what is going on. TOPS "may" have been designed to keep the best and brightest at home, but it is rewarding the very average as well.
I don't see how that precludes the program from keeping the best in state.
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At the same time they are financially punishing higher achieving out-of-state students.
I'm not buying this. LSU (and all of LA) has some of the lowest oos tuition in the country
LINK
This list shows LSU as the first major, non-satellite, university for oos tuition. Now I'm not putting all my stock into this link, but everything I have ever seen has been consistent in that LSU is one of the cheaper universities you can attend, regardless of residency.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:57 am to sgbenne
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most of the beneficiaries are wealthy.
Define wealthy.
And FYI wealthy =/= white
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:58 am to LSURussian
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Do you not know the history of why TOPS was started by the Taylor family? It was because Louisiana saw a huge outflow of its better students leaving the state to go to college because other states have much greater scholarship endowment funds than Louisiana.
LINK
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The original 1989 “Taylor Plan” required that students earn a 2.5 GPA in a 17.5 unit college prep curriculum and score of 18 on the ACT. Because the program was implemented initially for low and moderate-income students, the legislature capped the family income requirement at $25,000 for families with one dependent child, increasing it by $5,000 for each additional child, up to a maximum of $35,000. The “Taylor Plan” awarded qualified students with tuition and fees at any 4-year public college or university in Louisiana.
It was for poor people. Not to retain talent. TOPS expansion was for retaining Louisiana graduates but that was NEVER the original purpose.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:00 pm to therick711
quote:For comparison, to automatically qualify for entrance into UT and A&M, you have to be in the top 8% and top 10% of your class. That is not to qualify for scholarship, but just ENTRANCE into school.
Right now about 30% of Louisiana High School graduates claim the award. One can surmize that those students are around the top 30% of what our high schools put out. I'm not sure how a top 30% achiever in this state is considered average. You might think it should be higher, and that is fine, but as compared to their peers, TOPS recipients are decisively above average. They also perform very well in college compared to non-TOPS students.
There is nothing wrong with being in the top 30%, but that alone should not qualify for a TOPS scholarship. Let me ask you this....was the whole premise of TOPS to keep people in Louisiana after college? That is going to be determined by "available" jobs more than anything else.
Secondly, students who are borderline on receiving "academic" scholarship are most likely to stay in state because it cost more to go out of state.
Thirdly, if you lower the cost of out of state tuition you bring more people into the state who might eventually stay because they enjoyed the area.
It's always just a matter of time before the money runs out on any government funded subsidy.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:04 pm to shawnlsu
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FYI wealthy =/= white
I truly believe racial discrimination, regardless of the ethnicity of the author of this report, is the purpose and intent of the op referenced article.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:04 pm to torrey225
TOPS purpose is to provide public funding for schools in an indirect manner. Instead of providing the school with the funding directly, its a voucher of sorts. It's propping up tuition prices while simultaneously discouraging students who don't belong in school from going due to the higher tuition prices.
The reason that such a low portion of these colleges budgets are government funded is because its indirect through TOPS.
The reason that such a low portion of these colleges budgets are government funded is because its indirect through TOPS.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:07 pm to Oddibe
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The state of Louisiana has become very blind to what is going on. TOPS "may" have been designed to keep the best and brightest at home, but it is rewarding the very average as well.
TOPS was designed for the average.
LINK
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The original 1989 “Taylor Plan” required that students earn a 2.5 GPA in a 17.5 unit college prep curriculum and score of 18 on the ACT. Because the program was implemented initially for low and moderate-income students, the legislature capped the family income requirement at $25,000 for families with one dependent child, increasing it by $5,000 for each additional child, up to a maximum of $35,000. The “Taylor Plan” awarded qualified students with tuition and fees at any 4-year public college or university in Louisiana.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:09 pm to Oddibe
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For comparison, to automatically qualify for entrance into UT and A&M, you have to be in the top 8% and top 10% of your class.
Texas' population is 7 times greater than Louisiana's population. Texas has over 5 times more graduating high schoolers each year that Louisiana does. The top 10% of that number is about 10,000 more students than get TOPS in Louisiana. By the numbers, the Texas comparison is inapt.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:10 pm to torrey225
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It was for poor people. Not to retain talent. TOPS expansion was for retaining Louisiana graduates but that was NEVER the original purpose.
We're not talking about the 1989 program (TAP). We're talking about its transformation into a change-making power house when it was completely remade in 1998 as TOPS. That's exactly what the purpose of TOPS was.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:11 pm to TigerDat
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Ah now I get it. Your an idiot.
*You're
BTW, TOPS was designed to be a "welfare" program.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:12 pm to therick711
Yes we are.
You posted:
Therefore, we are.
You posted:
quote:
Do you not know the history of why TOPS was started by the Taylor family?
Therefore, we are.
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