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Large Hadron Collider results hint at need for new physics model.

Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:21 pm
Posted by Bout_Dat_Lyfe
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:21 pm
Can anyone dumb this down? shite is insane. LINK
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Recent results from the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in Switzerland hint at activity going on beyond the standard model of particle physics - which means we could finally be about to enter a new era in physics.

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The discrepancy deals with a particle called the B meson. According to the standard model, B mesons should decay at very specific angles and frequencies - but those predictions don't match up what's been seen in LHC experiments, suggesting that something else is going on. And if we can figure out what that is, it'll take us closer to unlocking some of the mysteries in our Universe.

"Up to now all measurements match the predictions of the standard model," said lead researcher Mariusz Witek, from the Institute of Nuclear Physics of the Polish Academy of Sciences. "However, we know that the standard model cannot explain all the features of the Universe. It doesn’t predict the masses of particles or tell us why fermions are organised in three families. How did the dominance of matter over antimatter in the universe come about? What is dark matter? Those questions remain unanswered."
Posted by TigerDude80
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:23 pm to
Here ya go....


Posted by knight_ryder
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:24 pm to
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:25 pm to
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TigerDude80


Dude this is a topic about complex physics. Take your hieroglyphics to a yoga girl thread about ancient aliens.
Posted by Bout_Dat_Lyfe
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:27 pm to
The mathematical models being analyzed right now aren't going to get it done because there are some Theoretical Numbers out there that need to be used in the model but have not yet been discovered. These Theoretical Numbers exist outside of a 3-dimensional universe.
Posted by knight_ryder
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:29 pm to
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These Theoretical Numbers exist outside of a 3-dimensional universe.




Posted by TigerDude80
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:29 pm to
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Take your hieroglyphics to a yoga girl thread about ancient aliens.


No problem. Could you point me in the rite direction?
Posted by Bout_Dat_Lyfe
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:32 pm to
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knight_ryder


Posted by lsufan1971
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Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:33 pm to
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The mathematical models being analyzed right now aren't going to get it done because there are some Theoretical Numbers out there that need to be used in the model but have not yet been discovered. These Theoretical Numbers exist outside of a 3-dimensional universe.

That is even more confusing. I actually understood the quoted post in the OP
Posted by BigEdLSU
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:33 pm to
Basically, scientists are beginning to admit they don't have a clue how or why things work. It's intresting. Once you start dealing with very small objects, they start breaking rules and behaving strangely.

Or do they? Of course they don't break rules and behave strangely. The problem lies with us. We don't have a clue
This post was edited on 3/10/16 at 12:34 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:33 pm to
Okay - understand that 1 particular model of the universe involves everything being composed of various base particles - the old model that was reducible to protons, neutrons and electrons - recall that from your basic science in high school.

Well, as we're finding out in looking smaller and smaller, we find all these other particles. Plus, the question remains what are these small particles composed of?

And finally, some theorize that, since all matter is energy (and vice versa) - then we should be talking about other properties, rather than just particle composition, to describe the universe as the current particle model leaves so much out.

For example - the space between the particles is massive by comparison. What energy fields and other forces/interactions going on in there are likely more significant and more important to the function of the universe than the particles we already know and understand.

Thus the need for a new model. I'm not a physicist, so I hope that is dumbed down enough.
This post was edited on 3/10/16 at 12:35 pm
Posted by Bout_Dat_Lyfe
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:37 pm to
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:37 pm to
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"Up to now all measurements match the predictions of the standard model," said lead researcher Mariusz Witek, from the Institute of Nuclear Physics of the Polish Academy of Sciences. "However, we know that the standard model cannot explain all the features of the Universe. It doesn’t predict the masses of particles or tell us why fermions are organised in three families. How did the dominance of matter over antimatter in the universe come about? What is dark matter? Those questions remain unanswered."



In short, the scientific method is rearing it's head.

Basically, science has been thought that the universe acted a certain way. However, according to results from the LHC, something different is happening in their experiments.

Part of the problem of predicting the end result of a scientific experiment, without actually exploring the experiment fully. One of the purposes of the LHC was to find the "God" particle. The particle that creates life. Well, they haven't quite found that yet, but are finding other stuff.

Which is cool, and honestly, without the search for that particle, they wouldn't be making other breakthroughs.

At least thats what i got out of it. But i'm no scientist.
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:41 pm to
magic
Posted by the_watcher
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:56 pm to
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One of the purposes of the LHC was to find the "God" particle. The particle that creates life. Well, they haven't quite found that yet, but are finding other stuff.


I thought it was common knowledge they found it in 2012 LINK
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:58 pm to
So basically what they're saying is that faster than the speed of light travel is not just possible but could be accomplished fairly easily
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 1:02 pm to
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Can anyone dumb this down?


You serious, Clark?

288.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 1:05 pm to
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In short, the scientific method is rearing it's head.

Basically, science has been thought that the universe acted a certain way. However, according to results from the LHC, something different is happening in their experiments.

Part of the problem of predicting the end result of a scientific experiment, without actually exploring the experiment fully. One of the purposes of the LHC was to find the "God" particle. The particle that creates life. Well, they haven't quite found that yet, but are finding other stuff.

Which is cool, and honestly, without the search for that particle, they wouldn't be making other breakthroughs.

At least thats what i got out of it. But i'm no scientist.
The Higgs boson doesn't "create life", it gives particles mass. It's true that life wouldn't exist if particles did not have mass, but saying that the Higgs boson creates life is like saying nuclear fusion in the sun created tigerdroppings. It's a necessary thing for the outcome to exist, but it didn't have any direct role in bringing about the outcome.

Life would also not exist without the strong nuclear force, but we don't talk about gluons "creating life"

tl;dr - the Higgs boson is as much the "god" particle as any other boson is a "god" particle. I hate that fricking term
This post was edited on 3/10/16 at 1:09 pm
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