re: Jeep Wagoneer debacle

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nd i actually did a double take the other day to look at a new Outback Wilderness that was super-nice.. but are they really more reliable than Toyotas ? I genuinely dont know .

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Nobody matches Toyota/Lexus as a company. Subaru is similar to Honda now. Mazda is the Japanese company that has made the biggest jump in the last decade. They are now better than Toyota/Lexus. Brand reliability doesn't mean every car in the lineup is good though, you have to research the individual models.

I drove one on a recent work trip. They are fantastic. This year I’ve driven brand new Tahoe, Expedition, Yukon, Armada. And by far the Wagoneer is the best of the lot. The Yukon was a distant 2nd. I wouldn’t think twice if I needed a full size vehicle.

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I guess that 100k+ sticker price for a jeep product wasn't a good idea.

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They aren't all $100k

The regular Wagoneer starts at $62k for the base model. The most expensive is the Grand Wagoneer L Series III that can be optioned up to $121k but I doubt they've actually made all that many of those.

No links or pics? Boo this man

When the fact that it’s a Chrysler product is combined with the fact that a TOL Lexus can be had for around the same money, then no wonder.

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Currently they sit on a 532 day supply

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that 100k+ sticker price

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checks out

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Mazda is the Japanese company that has made the biggest jump in the last decade. They are now better than Toyota/Lexus.


I tend to trust your insight on cars. What makes you say this?

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Well, you shouldn't trust everything I type! I meant to type Honda which is the company Mazda has jumped in reliability.

Two other things stick out in the by manufacturer reliability in the last couple of years, BMW has jumped up into Japanese car range, quote from Consumer Reports:

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Toyota, Lexus, and BMW are the top three most reliable brands in our annual auto reliability brand rankings, with the German automaker jumping up 10 spots from last year to join the two reliability stalwarts on the podium.

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The saddest trend is Mercedes is down in the basement with Jeep, VW and GMC. Some of us are old enough to remember when Mercedes built to a standard, not to a price point.



* IMO Consumer Reports is the best source for the least biased reliability information along with following a brand or model dedicated forum. The latter takes much more time and isn't for everyone and I have had lots of heartburn as a result of seeing someone with an engine in pieces when I own that car.

My wife has a Wagoneer Series II. It was about $70K. The Grand Wagoneer is over $100K. I gotta be honest, it’s the best road trip car I’ve ever driven and that includes Escalade and Navigator. I was about to pay it off but decided not to.

I financed a small portion to get a rebate. It’s 2.9%. I’m getting 5% at Morgan Stanley so it really doesn’t make sense to do so. Now I wish I would have financed the whole thing.

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It’s almost as if people don’t want to spend $100K on a vehicle

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But we’ll give you 10 year financing!

:it’s like the corvette dorks that think they are driving a sports car"


What qualifies as a sports car that is faster in the same price category?

"150,000 results (0.28 seconds)
The C8 Z06 recorded a time of 2:38.6 seconds around the 4.1-mile Virginia International Raceway. This made the Corvette the fastest vehicle tested in 2023, and the fastest naturally aspirated vehicle and fastest in its price category in Lightning Lap history. It was also the fifth-fastest overall.Feb 22, 2023"