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re: Imagine if we lived in a world where Electric Vehicles were the norm
Posted on 4/20/24 at 12:56 pm to Corinthians420
Posted on 4/20/24 at 12:56 pm to Corinthians420
Comparing apples to apples, a Chevy Malibu weights 3,300 lbs.
A Tesla weighs 4,500 lbs.
A Silverado weighs 4,400 lbs.
Cybertruck > 6,000 lbs.
The Semi’s will be the real difference maker.
A Tesla weighs 4,500 lbs.
A Silverado weighs 4,400 lbs.
Cybertruck > 6,000 lbs.
The Semi’s will be the real difference maker.
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Posted on 4/20/24 at 12:59 pm to Corinthians420
quote:
I've never seen a post on this board about semi's, F250s, or Expeditions weighing too much and destroying our roads.
That’s a really poor point.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 1:03 pm to moneyg
Is it? the most popular selling ICE vehicle in the US weighs more than the most popular EV in the US
yet we only hear about damage to roads when discussing EVs
yet we only hear about damage to roads when discussing EVs
This post was edited on 4/20/24 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 4/20/24 at 1:07 pm to moneyg
quote:
That’s a really poor point.
If you understand the fourth power law, it really isn’t.
To illustrate: taking a passenger car and turning it into an EV increases road damage by about 25%. Driving a Tahoe instead of driving a passenger car increases road damage by about 350%.
Put another way, if 14 people who previously drove ICE cars started driving the equivalent EV, it’s the rough equivalent in road damage to a single person switching from an ICE car to an ICE Tahoe.
And yet, before it became an anti-EV talking point, I had never, not once in my life, heard someone concerned about the increase in damage to roads that Tahoe (etc.) drivers were doing compared to car drivers.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 1:21 pm to 225Tyga
quote:
“Imagine we lived in a world where all cars were electric and then along comes a new invention, the "Internal Combustion Engine"! Think how well they would sell: A vehicle half the weight, half the price that will almost quarter the damage done to the road. A vehicle that can be refueled in 1/10th of the time and has a range of up to 4 times the distance in all weather conditions. It does not rely on the environmentally damaging use of non-renewable rare earth elements to power it, and uses far less steel and other materials. Just think how excited people would be for such technology” Interesting perception but kinda true
Dumb post.
- are you assuming that this new combustion engine is a version 2024 or version 1924?
- 2024 or 1924 refueling infrastructure?
- 2024 or 1924 refining infrastructure?
Posted on 4/20/24 at 1:22 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
Oh, and our power grid stops crashing and works again. You can run your heater and A/C!
Better yet, with so much less demand for power, electric bills will drop precipitously and industry that requires large amounts of electricity will flourish.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 1:40 pm to Corinthians420
quote:
Is it?
Yes. In a world with only electric vehicles, there would be no F-250s.
The invention of ICE would have added a bullet to the OPs point that now we can have larger vehicles allowing for more productivity.
On the other hand, a comparable electric F-250 would be much, much heavier.
quote:
yet we only hear about damage to roads when discussing EVs
because comparable vehicles don't do as much damage.
Your emotion is getting in the way.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 1:46 pm to moneyg
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On the other hand, a comparable electric F-250 would be much, much heavier.
this is wrong.
we literally have comparable vehicles right now
Cybertruck weighs 6,843 pounds
F250 Weights 5,697 to 7,660 lbs
Ram 2500 weighs 6,001 to 7,224 lbs
Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD/Curb weight 6203 to 7578 lbs
This post was edited on 4/20/24 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 4/20/24 at 1:46 pm to deltaland
quote:
I want to believe you’re right but we keep electing very stupid politicians on both sides of the aisle and the voters get dumber by the day so I have little faith in the country to pursue logical solutions to anything.
If you went back to 1995 people would say “no way in hell would Americans support the Patriot Act, mass surveillance, 2 trillion dollar deficit spending, children getting trans surgery, etc” yet here we are
Just pick up a history book. The rise and fall of most civilizations follows a fairly predictable pattern.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:02 pm to moneyg
quote:
because comparable vehicles don't do as much damage. Your emotion is getting in the way.
Now factor in that at an increase of 25% road damage from ICE to EV, it would require about 16,000 ICE to EV equivalents to offset the damage a single tanker truck does when delivering gas to gas stations. A single local transport tanker looks to hold about 6,000 gallons of fuel (anywhere from 3,000 to 8,500, depending on size and type). Assuming an average gas tank of 20 gallons (which is probably on the low side), that would mean roughly 300 vehicles could fuel up from a single truck. That’s… a very small number, considering how many ICE to EV conversions is required to make up the damage.
Sounds like EVs actually win handily when it comes to full system accounted for road damage.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:10 pm to nitwit
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Don’t understand why so many of you are so frightened by EVs.
not sure anyone is frightened by them.
they just don't want to be forced into using them.
if I'm still alive the day an electric becomes as convenient, affordable and reliable as an ICE, I may buy one.
but as of today, that's just not the case, so I'll continue to use ICE instead.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:11 pm to 225Tyga
quote:
Interesting perception but kinda true
lol
If there were charging stations everywhere and battery tech equivalently evolved to that of a v4 turbo, literally NO ONE would buy a 1880s era ICE with no gas stations anywhere.
Probably no one would buy a 1960s era ICE engine in the above scenario.
This is a moronic take for Facebook boomer likes.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:17 pm to Corinthians420
quote:Thank you. Took until page 4 to find someone address the "less steel" quote. Like what?
Between 40 and 100 kg of non-grain oriented electrical steel is used in the construction of a purely electric vehicle.
compared to ICE, where on average, 900 kg of steel is used per vehicle.
And of course the road damage stuff is nonsense.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:20 pm to Corinthians420
quote:
that's not what the OP was discussing, he was talking about EV weight damaging roads.
ok.
he gave 6 talking points and weight was only one.
so can you now move on to the other 5?
or is weight the only one you think is moot and the ICE wins 5/6 points?
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:22 pm to deltaland
quote:
This is correct but the issue is this means if you have an electric semi then your load must be 6,000 lbs less which decreases profits or increases shipping costs to the consumer.
this about how many trucks you see on the road today.
you need 14 Electric Semi's to run the same amount of cargo as 13 ICE.
doesn't sound like a lot until you spend an hour on an interstate and realize you see over a dozen just in the area you're driving every hour or so.
multiply that by every instertate criss-crossing this country and that is a LOT more trucks to move the same amount of materials.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:23 pm to Corinthians420
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EVs charge while parked in your garage so this is moot, you actually spend less time charging than refilling an ICE vehicle
only if you're traveling less than a couple hundred miles in a day.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:24 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:
ok. he gave 6 talking points and weight was only one. so can you now move on to the other 5? or is weight the only one you think is moot and the ICE wins 5/6 points?
That post was on Page 3. Every “point” has been addressed multiple points by now
Posted on 4/20/24 at 3:04 pm to Joshjrn
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To illustrate: taking a passenger car and turning it into an EV increases road damage by about 25%. Driving a Tahoe instead of driving a passenger car increases road damage by about 350%.
But, you get more out of a Tahoe. There's more space for passengers...more space for cargo...more space for luxury.
An apples to apples comparison makes the OPs point very accurate.
That you don't want it to be true really doesn't change anything.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 3:14 pm to moneyg
quote:
But, you get more out of a Tahoe. There's more space for passengers...more space for cargo...more space for luxury.
An apples to apples comparison makes the OPs point very accurate.
That you don't want it to be true really doesn't change anything.
I'm trying to figure out whether you're simply trolling at this point, or whether you typed that out with a straight face.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 4:23 pm to VetteGuy
quote:
the latest breakthroughs and technological advances are true (particularly from BMW), things are going to change.
Yeah, I read the article you linked. It had almost zero specifics in regards to the OPs points
* vehicle half the weight
* half the price
* quarter of the damage done to the road
* refueled in 1/10th of the time
* range of up to 4 times the distance in all weather conditions.
* does not rely on the environmentally damaging use of non-renewable rare earth elements
* uses far less steel and other materials
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