re: If Derek Chauvin is found innocent, can he sue the Floyd family for 27 million for...

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I don’t agree with the 27m payout, or the glorification of Floyd, but they literally have video of this moron with a knee on the mans neck for nine minutes. If that part alone happened to a member of your family, you wouldn’t be pissed at all, right?

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That's an interesting question. I do not know the answer if it happened to a family member of mine. The honest answer is, I don't like certain members of my family so I seriously doubt I would care. I generally do not like trouble making people at all and have no patience for them.

The thing that looks most interesting to me just from the view of the side walk camera the bystander took, Floyd was able to move his head and chest up and breath when he wanted too. Chauvin never appears to put so much weight on him to smother him. 4 minutes, 6 minutes 9 minutes? The minutes are irrelevant, in part b/c Chauvin told the other officer essentially they were keeping him there until the ambulance showed up. So rather Chauvin feared that Floyd had a better chance of dying if he got up and started moving around again like he did in the back of the car minutes prior, or Chauvin feared if he got up he could start kicking at the officers (and Floyd appears to have some long strong legs) , I don't see anything more logical he could have done? It's safe to assume if Floyd was allowed back on his feet, they were gonna have to struggle with him again. If he was moving his chest and head up 3 minutes prior to not moving at all, Chauvin could not have possibly knew in those few minutes he was going to die.

Well i still believe if a person can't breathe and you have your knee on their neck for over 7 minutes that you are contributing to their death.

He did nothing to help him. How can you not have compassion for a person who can't breathe.

It would be one thing if he was going crazy on the ground but he wasn't

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Well i still believe if a person can't breathe and you have your knee on their neck for over 7 minutes that you are contributing to their death. He did nothing to help him. How can you not have compassion for a person who can't breathe. It would be one thing if he was going crazy on the ground but he wasn't

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You need to watch the full video they handled Floyd with kit gloves all the way until he would not cooperate inside the police car. It is not a compassion issue it is a safety of the officers involved issue. Once Floyd began resisting and fighting the officers they began following there training and procedures on how to subdue Floyd. Floyd died from drugs, weak heart and being out of his mind at the time and resisting.

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He did nothing to help him. How can you not have compassion for a person who can't breathe.

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Floyd was saying almost the entire time. Most say that. Question is when Chauvin know it became real.

Did the other officer immediately & effectively communicate to Chauvin that he couldn’t find a pulse, and did Chauvin hear it and still stay in hold 2 to 3 minutes to argue with bystanders. Though I also think Floyd was dying anyway and not sure police were equipped to help or about arrival of paramedics it would be hard to argue staying on him for 2 to 3 minutes after hearing no pulse from fellow officer isn’t a problem if that’s the case (still not second degree murder).

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“Given the irrational and potentially violent, dangerous, and lethal behavior of an ExDS subject, any LEO interaction with a person in this situation risks significant injury or death to either the LEO or the ExDS subject who has a potentially lethal medical syndrome. This already challenging situation has the potential for intense public scrutiny coupled with the expectation of a perfect outcome. Anything less creates a situation of potential public outrage. Unfortunately, this dangerous medical situation makes perfect outcomes difficult in many circumstances.”

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Article posted earlier
https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911

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The Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) allows the use of neck restraint on suspects who actively resist arrest, and George Floyd actively resisted arrest on two occasions, including immediately prior to neck restraint being used.

The officers were recorded on their body cams assessing George Floyd as suffering from “excited delirium syndrome” (ExDS), a condition which the MPD considers an extreme threat to both the officers and the suspect. A white paper used by the MPD acknowledges that ExDS suspects may die irrespective of force involved. The officers’ response to this situation was in line with MPD guidelines for ExDS.

Restraining the suspect on his or her abdomen (prone restraint) is a common tactic in ExDS situations, and the white paper used by the MPD instructs the officers to control the suspect until paramedics arrive.

Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine. Together with his history of drug abuse and two serious heart conditions, Floyd’s condition was exceptionally and unusually fragile.

Chauvin’s neck restraint is unlikely to have exerted a dangerous amount of force to Floyd’s neck. Floyd is shown on video able to lift his head and neck, and a robust study on double-knee restraints showed a median force exertion of approximately approximately 105lbs… If the force applied were split evenly, that is only 53 lbs of exertion spread across the side of Floyd’s neck. This amount of force, while uncomfortable, is not enough to stop a suspect from breathing and not enough to cut off blood flow to the brain.

Let’s be clear: the actions of Chauvin and the other officers were absolutely wrong. But they were also in line with MPD rules and procedures for the condition which they determined was George Floyd was suffering from. An act that would normally be considered a clear and heinous abuse of force, such as a knee-to-neck restraint on a suspect suffering from pulmonary distress, can be legitimatized if there are overriding concerns not known to bystanders but known to the officers. In the case of George Floyd, the overriding concern was that he was suffering from ExDS, given a number of relevant facts known to the officers. This was not known to the bystanders, who only saw a man with pulmonary distress pinned down with a knee on his neck.

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A similar case where police were cleared by 11th circuit in a lawsuit filed against them.

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Out of all the cases of ExDS and prone restraint available, the Donald Lewis case most clearly mirrors the George Floyd case. Donald Lewis was a white man suffering from excited delirium.

The police first decide to use verbal deescalation. This doesn’t work, as he runs into traffic. He says he is going to die while being restrained by the police. From 1:50 to 2:40, we see an officer use knee-to-neck restraint. Lewis’ condition does not deteriorate from prone restraint, and he continues actively resisting arrest. They then use zip ties and hobble prone restraint. At 3:50 he tries to bite the officers (this is especially dangerous for officers who would prefer not to risk exposure to HIV or hepatitis). At 4:04 he appears to call for his mom. At 5:25 a Black police officer uses knee-to-neck restraint against the white suspect. The Black police officer resumes this position seconds later. The suspect dies in this position…The 11th Circuit rejected the contention that hogtying was unreasonable once Lewis was already handcuffed and his legs shackled. “Even though most of the officers in this case testified that Lewis was not a danger to them and was merely resisting arrest, he was, as the district court described, ‘an agitated and uncooperative man with only a tenuous grasp on reality,’ ” the appeals-court panel said. […] The panel concluded: “Because of his refusal to sit upright and his inability to remain calm, Lewis remained a safety risk to himself and to others.”

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The american justice system does not find people innocent. It's GUILTY or NOT GUILTY

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Fentanyl can easily kill someone but he wouldn't have been up and walking around.

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I will ask this again because this keeps getting said. Floyd did not take the Fentanyl intravenously. He swallowed it. It was wrapped in plastic as it would have been for street sale. How long does it take for Fentanyl, and similar drugs, to impact a person when taken in that manner?

Your assertion also runs contradictory to what the Medical Examiner is on record having said about the amount of Fentanyl in Floyd's system at the time of death.

You have a problem, because that same ME ruled the death a "homicide", yet made statements that are on the public record that if Floyd was found dead anywhere else, his death would have been ruled a drug overdose.

Did you know it's almost physically impossible to die from suffocation with a knee placed on the back of the neck?

You'll have to crush and break the neck vertebrae with your knee. Only then will you be able to put enough pressure on the trachea to block the air from going in the lungs.

Go ahead and try with a friend or family. It may be uncomfortable, but your life wont be on the line.

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There’s no point in arguing with idiots like you. The facts of the case are right in front of you, that he OD’d on fentanyl, that HE ingested himself , and yet you still spew dumb arse shite like this. You’re a fricking idiot.

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The official cause of death, from the ME, not the independent examination was...
"cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."
Word for word from the official report. Yet you're calling people idiots while you make up some shite about an overdose being the cause of death, how ironic. He had a "potentially fatal" amount of drugs in his system. That does not = he died of an overdose, and is not included in any part of the official report.

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chauvin should sue his dad for not pulling out

would have been 1 less scumbag cop roaming the streets

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If we are being honest, chauvin is a better member to society than George Floyd. The drug addict that robs and beats up pregnant women. Floyd should still e rotting in jail for his crimes.

He has to be convicted for one of the counts?

The prosecutors were smart to not just listen to the idiocy and only go for Murder 1. Or whatever Minnesota calls it.