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re: If America was attacked by other countries how would we defend with no military?
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:53 pm to windshieldman
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:53 pm to windshieldman
How has this ridiculous question gone 3 pages?
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Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I guess you're not familiar with aerial refueling lol.
it's not like they can fly bombers over from china in a single trip ?
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Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:54 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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It's fricking impossible and not because of our military. The US is essentially an island.
And we have major population zones on all three coastlines.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:54 pm to Walt OReilly
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It's Saturday and you're thinking about this dumb shite?
Well, this and countless other thoughts of dumb shite.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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from our bases in the region
something, again, that China/Russia would not have
From the OP:
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Canada and Mexico are not in this fight and they have no military either, invaders would meet light local resistance in those countries but would be all in for only attacking America
So again, the wouldn't attack the coast, they do a land invasion from two fronts after they bomb us into the stone ages.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:55 pm to windshieldman
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How brutal would Americans be with our backs against the wall
As long as we have facebook we will win.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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hell it would take europe less time to get over here to help than for china/russia to cross the pacific. if the US was destroyed, Europe would be destroyed economically
reread the OP- France, Germany, and the UK are the ones attacking
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we'd still have the militaries of canada, mexico, australia, NZ, etc. they would not sit idly by and watch their major economic partner be destroyed.
I belive commonwealth nations side with the Crown over us.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:56 pm to TigerintheNO
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they would restore those things once the city surrendered, similar to WWII
we would blow the frickers up if we were being occupied. it's not like we'd turn the "off" switch and then let them turn it back on
same with our air strips and roads. we're not acting in a vacuum of normal life. we're facing occupation. we would fight dirty and frick our shite up to frick them over because we have teh understanding that they could not supply their army if we stop them from doing so
then it's a matter of suffering the losses of infrastructure and population on the west cost while the other 250M people and the 85% of our land organizes some sort of resistance. we would make that choice and the invaders would be limited. like i said, tehy take the west coast? great. have fun crossing a mountain range that crosses our nation, with a sweltering desert being the only flat area to cross
it's a logistical nightmare
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
The whole argument of the us is too big physically to be overtaken in its own is ridiculous. Why would the mountains matter? Come in on the west coast, bomb and take over those cities/states. Fly over the Rockies and bomb all the major population centers, secure passes, roll on through to the Great Plains. Those coming from the east would be lol easier. Meet in kc for bbq within months.
What are we going to shoot their planes down with?
What are we going to shoot their planes down with?
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:57 pm to Tunasntigers92
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I guess you're not familiar with aerial refueling lol.
i don't even know what their capabilities are, let alone are for an entire pacific trip...that they could make once
nobody flies bombers over the pacific ocean to make one trip. that would deplete their very limited resources quickly
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:59 pm to KosmoCramer
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the wouldn't attack the coast, they do a land invasion from two fronts after they bomb us into the stone ages.
they still don't have bases and face the exact same issues. are we presuming we let them invade canada and mexico for a few years and build a bunch of bases while ignoring the issues?
and we'd still have austrailia and NZ to face them in the pacific and Europe to come on over to save us frmo the Atlantic
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:59 pm to goldenbadger08
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How has this ridiculous question gone 3 pages?
Thanks for making it 4 I realize its a crazy question. I just wanted to see other's responses, military folks and non military on strategies we would take, and if people believed we could come together and how well we would fight with our backs against the wall. Yes, I know this would never happen, just wanted to read other's views of if it did. Seems to be pretty evenly split.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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a. this scenario presumes we have no allies. if we had no military, we'd still have the militaries of canada, mexico, australia, NZ, etc. they would not sit idly by and watch their major economic partner be destroyed. hell it would take europe less time to get over here to help than for china/russia to cross the pacific. if the US was destroyed, Europe would be destroyed economically
First off, this scenario is completely made-up so if we're gonna start getting into the diplomatic and alliance implications than that's a whole new level of what-if's and yea, then absolutely they're f'ed (although if we did somehow not have any military then maybe we're not the economic juggernaut we are now and maybe they don't have as much allegiance but that's a whole new subject).
As far as I'm concerned from what the OP said, someone decides to invade us and no one else intercedes. It's us vs them.
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b. that army could not sustain any sort of operation. they would not have the supplies or ability to supply itself. destroying our infrastructure destroys their ability to sustain the invasion. it's a catch-22. the US gets around this by having bases and allies EVERYWHERE. this invasion would not have this advantage
Eh, I think they'd come from the Pacific and do it fairly easily. Everyone naturally assumes Russia, but Australia would have a chance to do it as well (they've always been our ally, but again this scenario is totally made-up so why not them?). They'd basically do the opposite of our island-hopping campaign in WWII and be in Hawaii in a week or so (again, we've got no Navy to stop them and no sizable on-island resistance.
From there they easily bounce to California and basically seize the entire West Coast in a month. They'd have the supply lines to do it and Australia exports as much to the energy infrastructure in the Asia-Pacific region as anyone. If they wanted to concentrate all this on fueling an invasion they could IMO. Then once they have the West Coast, they setup fortifications, overtake our resources and start fueling their operation from US soil. Remember, we have only small-arms so we have no way of overtaking them. Then, when they feel like it (or if we surrender), they take the rest of the US.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 1:00 pm to goldenbadger08
quote:mac504 had one last night where he claimed russia was the greatest country in the world -- went 5 or 6 pages
How has this ridiculous question gone 3 pages?
somebody should bump it
but my favorite one recently was the guy yesterday complaining about people who lose their battle with cancer should not be consider losers. he got pages of serious, outraged replies, and some brilliantly hilarious responses from me -- unfortunately the thread was whacked....
Posted on 4/11/15 at 1:00 pm to poochie
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Why would the mountains matter?
have you ever seen a tank drive over a mountain?
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Come in on the west coast, bomb and take over those cities/states. Fly over the Rockies and bomb all the major population centers
and where are all the supplies for these bombers coming from?
Posted on 4/11/15 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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then it's a matter of suffering the losses of infrastructure and population on the west cost while the other 250M people and the 85% of our land organizes some sort of resistance. we would make that choice and the invaders would be limited. l
What are we organizing? We're just going to instantly create an Air Force to get behind their lines and attack bases? Our ground troop orginization would be child's play compared to their dumbest air squadron.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they still don't have bases and face the exact same issues.
Mexico and Canada have bases and don't have an army to hold them. They would be in enemy hands in weeks.
And Germany, UK, etc. are the ones attacking us apparently, so I don't think they are coming to save us
Posted on 4/11/15 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's not the point. our military is vastly better than china's and russia's. with that advantage, we failed
and we failed in areas without the same logistical issues that the terrain of the US
and we failed in areas without the level of personal numbers of weapons
Are you talking about Vietnam?
Posted on 4/11/15 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
The B-52 Stratofortress an unrefueled combat range of 8,800 miles so I figure their capabilities are somewhere in that ballpark.
quote:You don't say?
nobody flies bombers over the pacific ocean to make one trip. that would deplete their very limited resources quickly
Posted on 4/11/15 at 1:03 pm to poochie
Just pure dumb to think if the world turn against us and could over take us. Hell, once they tried to land troops, just about every house has anywhere from 2- 100 guns. Bang bang modher.
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