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Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:23 pm to
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Just because a city has an ordinance doesn't mean that it can't be appealed or challenged


Did you really miss his sarcasm?
Posted by LegalTiger
Member since Nov 2006
1098 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:27 pm to
We're on the same side here.

Bottom line as far as Lafayette goes: if there's no judicial enforcement ordinance under Joey Durel, there never will be one. Nobody in the city/parish government or Redflex want the details of the money grab to be discovered in a civil proceeding. The cash flow is too good as it is with the number of people who are frightened into paying or are intimidated into paying because they believe they have a moral obligation to do so. As soon as a real judge has a case like this, they will kill the cash cow.
Posted by NameWithheld
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
2092 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:32 pm to
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Did you really miss his sarcasm?


No, not at all... That was just my transition to providing the example of the Farmers Branch ordinance!
Posted by NameWithheld
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
2092 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:34 pm to
Realistically, the state legislature should act to either kill or clarify this on a statewide basis. I am not sure what Louisiana has on the books for these devices, but it certainly doesn't appear to be nearly as authoritative as it should be if Lafayette is having these sort of questions linger out there.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
69059 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:40 pm to
When Jefferson parish just pulled the plug on the program I figured the whole system was BS.

Posted by Pennymoney
Member since Sep 2012
667 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:41 pm to
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Judgment against a vehicle? I'm being serious.


At this point I'm doubting you're an actual lawyer.

Posted by LegalTiger
Member since Nov 2006
1098 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:44 pm to
It's gotten killed every time it's been brought up there. Charlie Buckles, who is an influential LAGOP party apparatchik douchebag, is or was on the Redflex payroll now or at one time and no doubt lobbies or causes to be lobbied the Republicans in the legislature on the issue. The Democrats, well, don't need to say much about them being all in favor of government revenue increases and constitutional indifference.

I think you only really have Lafayette, Baker and NOLA with them, with BR pulling the plug some time ago, so as with most "local bills", the legislators that don't have any skin in the game just vote green, if you know what I mean. Easy lobbying strategy for this one issue. Let more municipalities start doing this and I think the state will step in and kill it.
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 3:50 pm
Posted by LegalTiger
Member since Nov 2006
1098 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:46 pm to
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At this point I'm doubting you're an actual lawyer.


Regardless of whether I am or not, you definitely aren't.
Posted by LaBornNRaised
Loomis blows
Member since Feb 2011
11004 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:11 pm to
Send a letter requesting they prove it was you driving the vehicle.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
84065 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:11 pm to
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At this point I'm doubting you're an actual lawyer.



And you are?
Posted by Fast_Eddie
Member since Feb 2014
193 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:13 pm to
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Posted by weadjust

Apply for food stamps and section 8 housing. If your going to work the system go all in.


Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:14 pm to
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Well they eventually turn it over to a debt collector.


who is it? i don't buy this at all

they'd have to have your social security #
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:17 pm to
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A girl that I used to work with, saw it hit her Transunion


gotta call bullshite on that
Posted by Pennymoney
Member since Sep 2012
667 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:15 pm to
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Regardless of whether I am or not, you definitely aren't.




One just F.Y.I. you can get an adjudication against just property.

Two this isn't even that scenario so your whole suggestion that's what it is is absurd. They are getting a judgment against you, not against "property".

Now tell me Professor how this is any different than you being forced to pay a parking ticket if your wife or a friend parks your vehicle illegally.



Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22659 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:47 pm to
I'm not sure why. It happened.
Posted by Pennymoney
Member since Sep 2012
667 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:07 am to
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Now tell me Professor how this is any different than you being forced to pay a parking ticket if your wife or a friend parks your vehicle illegally.



Crickets chirping...
Posted by LegalTiger
Member since Nov 2006
1098 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:02 pm to
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Crickets chirping...


Shut up, bitch.

Parking tickets are legitimate. They are issued by police officers or city employees, are criminally adjudicated, the fines belong wholly to the issuing authority and are a proper function of police power.

Photo enforcement of criminal laws by a foreign corporation on a for-profit basis under color of civil penalty and in kangaroo administrative courts is constitutionally repugnant and patently unAmerican.



Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
98835 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:06 pm to
Posted by LegalTiger
Member since Nov 2006
1098 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:09 pm to
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They are getting a judgment against you, not against "property".


Who's getting a judgment? Certainly not your employer. The crap sent by your company has zero legal effect, much less is a "judgment". To get a judgment, you need to go to court.

Redflex and the municipalities they have hooked on this cash cow have not and will not ever let the racket that is photo-enforcement on a for-profit basis by a private entity ever be subject to judicial scrutiny, so there will be no judgment, ever.
Posted by Pennymoney
Member since Sep 2012
667 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:13 pm to
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Who's getting a judgment? Certainly not your employer. The crap sent by your company has zero legal effect, much less is a "judgment". To get a judgment, you need to go to court.



WTF are you talking about company?

First you were blabbering about getting a judgment against a vehicle. Now you're blabbering incoherently about an employer? And you still haven't discerned any difference between you getting a parking ticket and your wife or friend getting it for you if they're driving your car.

You're still responsible for paying it are you not? Amercuh , gotta love it....

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