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re: How to handle the "salary expectations" question?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:40 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:40 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
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How to handle the "salary expectations" question?
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Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:53 pm to wadewilson
Yeah corporate HR hinders more than it helps. It just keeps growing until it strangles the organization.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:03 pm to RICHIE APRILE
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What drove me nuts in interviews I did a couple years ago was that they were OK with my salary expectations in the initial phone screen, then I go through 6 interviews, get flown out there and everything, then when it comes time to negotiate an offer and salary they balk at the number we INITIALLY AGREED TO in the phone screen.
That happened to me twice. Really pissed me off when i got the offer. What's stupid is both of them came back several times and offered me more in line with what was originally discussed, but i told them both that if that's how they want to conduct business, then they can go frick themselves. You wasted my time, and you insulted me with your offer. I'm not here to play games with salaries. You trying to get away with paying me less than you think i'm worth is a shitty way to treat a future employee. If i tell you i'm not moving forward with interviews unless you expect to pay me $100k+, then you come back and offer $60k and almost no benefits, and when i laugh at you and hang up on you, you come back and then offer me twice your original offer and a bunch of benefits, you're a piece of shite in my book, and i don't want to work for you. You'd be much happier hiring another piece of shite like yourself that is dishonest and selfish.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:09 pm to schexyoung
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corporate HR
I tell others that are trying to land jobs within IT that the biggest hurdle is getting by HR who has the job of screening candidates on something of which they have no idea.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:54 pm to bad93ex
When it comes to hiring programmers and developers for our IT dept, I defer initial screening of applicants to IT. I get involved in the process after that. An IT resume is Greek to someone who is not in IT.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:55 pm to GEAUXLPOST
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When it comes to hiring programmers and developers for our IT dept, I defer initial screening of applicants to IT. I get involved in the process after that. An IT resume is Greek to someone who is not in IT.
That is a great practice for your organization but definitely not the norm.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:59 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
I just tell them if they have to ask they probably can’t afford me
Posted on 9/15/20 at 3:02 pm to bad93ex
Yeah, usually its just HR, which means they're just using ATS to weed out most applicants, regardless of qualifications.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 3:04 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
The benchmarking report for my current position and experience is $50k less than it should be. Sometimes those reports are pure garbage. Tell them what you want to make.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 3:06 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
Well I’m not sure I’m your typical salary negotiator. I have roughly 15 years experience. I really don’t care for the games. I’m qualified in my field and have a reputation of doing good work in the region. Pay me or not, it’s up to them.
The way I’ve handled it the last two jobs was saying, “I’m currently making X. It would need to be a very competitive offer to get me to leave this company. They’ve really done XXXX for me over the past Xxxx months.”
In 15 months I’ve increased my salary 35% by just being open and honest. It’s the only way I negotiate and it’s paid dividends.
The way I’ve handled it the last two jobs was saying, “I’m currently making X. It would need to be a very competitive offer to get me to leave this company. They’ve really done XXXX for me over the past Xxxx months.”
In 15 months I’ve increased my salary 35% by just being open and honest. It’s the only way I negotiate and it’s paid dividends.
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 9/15/20 at 3:11 pm to CoachDon
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The coolest perk I negotiated for this current job was a 6 week sabbatical that I could take concurrent, and aside from my normal 5 weeks vacation staring at year 5 of employment, and every 5 thereafter. I had it my last job, and it shows a commitment on both sides.
AvalonBay and many of the Reits have really caught on to this concept. They offered this to me at corporate in DC. It’s a nice perk if you’re able to last through the grind. And it is a grind.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 3:12 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
In regards to salary expectations from both sides as an HR professional for a fairly large company, it's a tight subject for both parties.
If I'm applying for a position, I do not like giving a number. As someone looking to get hired,I don't think it's fair for an applicant to put a single dollar amount down.. Depends on bonus structure, benefits, and time off.
From a hiring perspective, I dont like putting dollar amounts out to the public. To me, what existing employees are potentially making needs to be held private. I also don't want a great applicant to look at a posting and think, "oh it only pays $60k", when In actuality, after 3-4 months you might be at $65k and be eligible for 10-15k in bonuses that year.
Answering your initial question, know what your skillset and experience are worth, know the market and industry you are applying to, learn as much about the company, the position, and its structure ahead of time. Once you have all of that information, you can have an educated conversation regarding the entire compensation package.
If I'm applying for a position, I do not like giving a number. As someone looking to get hired,I don't think it's fair for an applicant to put a single dollar amount down.. Depends on bonus structure, benefits, and time off.
From a hiring perspective, I dont like putting dollar amounts out to the public. To me, what existing employees are potentially making needs to be held private. I also don't want a great applicant to look at a posting and think, "oh it only pays $60k", when In actuality, after 3-4 months you might be at $65k and be eligible for 10-15k in bonuses that year.
Answering your initial question, know what your skillset and experience are worth, know the market and industry you are applying to, learn as much about the company, the position, and its structure ahead of time. Once you have all of that information, you can have an educated conversation regarding the entire compensation package.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 3:30 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
Posted on 9/15/20 at 3:55 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
I always respond with a range....
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:08 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
The past 3 contract jobs I interviewed for I went high. Especially if you meet all the qualifications they are looking for. They need to understand you know your worth, without being cocky.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:19 pm to Muthsera
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Maybe I'm stupid, but how about just putting your salary expectation?
This was my thought. I’ve never really had hesitation discussing my current salary and what it would take to hire me away. But I do also know the market for my field, and what I’m worth. I’ve found that most places understand that too, and if you say you make 100k, they aren’t going to be under the impression that you’ll leave a job making 100k to go work in a similar position for that same amount.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 6:09 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
I just switched jobs for the first time in almost 13 years, same position. I asked for the amount it took me 13 years to achieve, they accepted without question.
In hindsight, I should've just thrown out a higher number lol
In hindsight, I should've just thrown out a higher number lol
Posted on 9/15/20 at 6:43 pm to Epic Cajun
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This was my thought. I’ve never really had hesitation discussing my current salary and what it would take to hire me away. But I do also know the market for my field, and what I’m worth. I’ve found that most places understand that too, and if you say you make 100k, they aren’t going to be under the impression that you’ll leave a job making 100k to go work in a similar position for that same amount.
I think the idea is to get you really invested in the position, then they come in and lowball you.
I did a phone screen for a position a couple years ago, we were in agreement with the salary range. Then the hiring manager calls me, really sells me on the position, we have 2 good phone interviews, they fly me to the location of the position, he takes 2 days just to show me the city and area and the company and office building and how great the area and company are to really sell me on working for them, hyping up all the perks and benefits, taking me to fancy restaurants.
Then on day 3 of the on site interview he comes in and gives me an offer and the salary is a total joke. Entry level salary. $70k less than the low range of what we had discussed on the phone. The idea was probably to get me to fall in love with the job so much that I would take the shite offer.
The guy was a total chode anyway. Bullet dodged. I declined it and hopped back on the plane. I was unemployed at the time so it really hurt but I couldn't let that a-hole get away with it.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 6:58 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
What would be market rate for the position? High end, And low end?
Does this company have a good reputation?
What Range would you take?
What else in the package would be important?
Some variety of “while I am familiar and comfortable with the expected compensation packages for the position, I would love to learn more about your expectations of the role and discuss the specifics of a comprehensive package after we have learned a bit more about each other through this process.”
If they press, have a loose ballpark. If it’s an 80-100k job probably a rough “in the 90s” would give you room to get at or near the top of the spectrum later without a bad taste now as a made up example.
But if they force you to throw a number out without context early in the process count it as a minor red flag.
Does this company have a good reputation?
What Range would you take?
What else in the package would be important?
Some variety of “while I am familiar and comfortable with the expected compensation packages for the position, I would love to learn more about your expectations of the role and discuss the specifics of a comprehensive package after we have learned a bit more about each other through this process.”
If they press, have a loose ballpark. If it’s an 80-100k job probably a rough “in the 90s” would give you room to get at or near the top of the spectrum later without a bad taste now as a made up example.
But if they force you to throw a number out without context early in the process count it as a minor red flag.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 7:01 pm to GEAUXLPOST
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regards to salary expectations from both sides as an HR professional for a fairly large company, it's a tight subject for both parties.
It doesn’t need to be. And if you are paying you employees fairly for their work and managing their successes and areas to improve properly then Steve shouldn’t be mad sally makes a bit more because it’s clear their roles or skills are differentiated.
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