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re: How the worm turns: Planned Parenthood cleared; video makers indicted, instead
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:11 pm to Rex
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:11 pm to Rex
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Because you have a reading problem.
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misdemeanor count related to purchasing human organs.
I don't know how else you'd read that, baby killer.
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Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:12 pm to TheBob
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I still don't understand how not wanting babies killed = hating women
well you wouldn't understand you scumbag male. you've triggered me.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:15 pm to Bunk Moreland
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I eagerly await TNBhoy's comments. He was pumping out minute by minute updates of every one of these stories for a while.
He is in hiding.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:16 pm to terd ferguson
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He ALMOST had polio
You just have no sensitivity.
I have PTSD and still have nightmares from that Navy doc at MEPS grabbing my nuts and telling me to turn my head and cough.
The trauma of the pre-enlistment physical is real.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:16 pm to terd ferguson
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the fact still remains that PP was selling baby parts for profit. I'm all for pushing an anti-baby-part-selling agenda.
These babies are getting aborted. It's not pretty, but not everyone makes every choice clearly. The same people that cry about abortions also cry that they have to pay for these families when they go on welfare. Honestly, you should be pleased that abortion is legal. Less hungry mouths to feed from your red-blooded, hard-working American pocket.
Also, PP does a shite-ton more than abortions. They cure STI's, give out condoms and provide birth control. They provide referrals for mammograms and reproductive system cancer screenings for people that may not be able to afford it (or even know what the frick these things are) otherwise.
I know it's easy to look at the people that are helped by Planned Parenthood and just yell out "Haha, you're poor, frick you!" or "Haha, sluts!", but they are people, too. Maybe not your preferred kind of person, but this kind of access improves quality of life across the board.
The research being done with the fetal tissue (which would otherwise just be tossed into the trash bin...baby still dead....no difference) will be groundbreaking. It's an ugly topic, but why not make the best out of it?
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:17 pm to Fun Bunch
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I will point out I found it interesting that one of the investigating prosecutors was actively involved with Planned Parenthood and only recently revealed it and separated herself from the case.
Well, you might find that interesting but it's likely inconsequential. A grand jury in Harris County consists of TWELVE people.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:20 pm to Godfather1
I'm not surprised that you and others here would downplay the seriousness of polio in the 50's and 60's and thereby implicitly mock its victims.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:20 pm to terd ferguson
I'm going to take heat for this, I know. I'll be seen as taking Rex's side and defending PP. But when this all came out, I watched the full videos. It was a big deal and I didn't want to be influenced by highlights without context. I posted this on the Poli Board earlier today.
The edited videos were propaganda. The raw videos made it obvious. The only thing that was possibly illegal in the raw videos was the very first doc in the very first video who describes a procedure that could be used to save more brain tissue. I said that from day one. And I wanted her investigated.
The rest is a joke. The actors try to get these doctors to negotiate price and they say multiple times that it's not important, they'll get them in touch with their administration, or that they simply don't know and will go with what other clinics/hospitals around the area are taking. For example, one doctor who has no clue about prices, says $50 per procedure after the actors spend 30 minutes trying to make her give them a price point... The actors laugh and so No Way! OMG. That's way too low! And, as buyers, try to drive the price up!! And still the doc says they're not in it for money and will just take whatever the procedure costs are. Doc should have picked up on the scam then. Of course, this was right before she makes a tactless joke about buying a Lamborghini which is what everyone focused on out of the 2 hour video.
What this comes down to is separating emotion with what's legal. Again, I am against abortion and the role PP plays. However, what is taking place is no different than the reimbursement a doctor or hospital would get when they remove organs from an organ doner. They don't perform those services/storage for free either. And they have to negotiate a price with middlemen who get the organs to those who need it or to research facilities.
The edited videos were propaganda. The raw videos made it obvious. The only thing that was possibly illegal in the raw videos was the very first doc in the very first video who describes a procedure that could be used to save more brain tissue. I said that from day one. And I wanted her investigated.
The rest is a joke. The actors try to get these doctors to negotiate price and they say multiple times that it's not important, they'll get them in touch with their administration, or that they simply don't know and will go with what other clinics/hospitals around the area are taking. For example, one doctor who has no clue about prices, says $50 per procedure after the actors spend 30 minutes trying to make her give them a price point... The actors laugh and so No Way! OMG. That's way too low! And, as buyers, try to drive the price up!! And still the doc says they're not in it for money and will just take whatever the procedure costs are. Doc should have picked up on the scam then. Of course, this was right before she makes a tactless joke about buying a Lamborghini which is what everyone focused on out of the 2 hour video.
What this comes down to is separating emotion with what's legal. Again, I am against abortion and the role PP plays. However, what is taking place is no different than the reimbursement a doctor or hospital would get when they remove organs from an organ doner. They don't perform those services/storage for free either. And they have to negotiate a price with middlemen who get the organs to those who need it or to research facilities.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:25 pm to Rex
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I'm not surprised that you and others here would downplay the seriousness of polio in the 50's and 60's and thereby implicitly mock its victims.
And I'm not surprised that you're so obtuse that you can't see that the only thing being mocked here is YOU.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:26 pm to EmperorGout
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Spin it all you like. It's pretty embarrassing for the pro-life crowd.
What is embarrassing about this? Anyone with a brain realizes what occurred here.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:26 pm to EmperorGout
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It is pretty astounding that a grand jury (in Texas of all places) convened to look into PP ends up indicting the pro-lifers instead. If I were pro-life it would sting for sure.
well Houston elected SJL and Annise Parker, but rejected the stupid HERO Act. They're a strange group.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:26 pm to WaltTeevens
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These babies are getting aborted. It's not pretty, but not everyone makes every choice clearly. The same people that cry about abortions also cry that they have to pay for these families when they go on welfare. Honestly, you should be pleased that abortion is legal. Less hungry mouths to feed from your red-blooded, hard-working American pocket.
Also, PP does a shite-ton more than abortions. They cure STI's, give out condoms and provide birth control. They provide referrals for mammograms and reproductive system cancer screenings for people that may not be able to afford it (or even know what the frick these things are) otherwise.
I know it's easy to look at the people that are helped by Planned Parenthood and just yell out "Haha, you're poor, frick you!" or "Haha, sluts!", but they are people, too. Maybe not your preferred kind of person, but this kind of access improves quality of life across the board.
The research being done with the fetal tissue (which would otherwise just be tossed into the trash bin...baby still dead....no difference) will be groundbreaking. It's an ugly topic, but why not make the best out of it?
logic is not well respected here. Please take it elsewhere.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:27 pm to Rex
I prefer my fetuses going straight into the garbage.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:27 pm to Peazey
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It's the same reason that the opposite position calls it "pro life." Spin. Everyone does it.
Well, I am pro-life. Pretty clear what that means.
PP is for "women's health" WTF does that entail?
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:27 pm to terd ferguson
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I'm all for pushing an anti-baby-part-selling agenda.
Those parts are much better off going to the meat grinder.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:30 pm to colorchangintiger
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Those parts are much better off going to the meat grinder.
The callousness of this statement just reinforces my belief that we are utterly fricked as a society.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:36 pm to Golfer
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P is for "women's health" WTF does that entai
To borrow from WaltTeevens' earlier post:
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They cure STI's, give out condoms and provide birth control. They provide referrals for mammograms and reproductive system cancer screenings for people that may not be able to afford it (or even know what the frick these things are) otherwise.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:37 pm to Godfather1
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The callousness of this statement just reinforces my belief that we are utterly fricked as a society.
:omg: some one said something callous on the internet!!!!!!!!!! This is obviously a reflection on humanity as a whole!!!!! There is no way someone on the internet could be sarcastic or a have much more nuanced position than 11 words can convey!!!!! I really need to go stock up on gold and ammo!!!!! Obama is the anti-christ!
This post was edited on 1/26/16 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:40 pm to WaltTeevens
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These babies are getting aborted. It's not pretty, but not everyone makes every choice clearly. The same people that cry about abortions also cry that they have to pay for these families when they go on welfare. Honestly, you should be pleased that abortion is legal. Less hungry mouths to feed from your red-blooded, hard-working American pocket.
Also, PP does a shite-ton more than abortions. They cure STI's, give out condoms and provide birth control. They provide referrals for mammograms and reproductive system cancer screenings for people that may not be able to afford it (or even know what the frick these things are) otherwise.
i agree with your sentiment whole heartily on some facets.
the problem i have is that PP will never and i mean NEVER advocate abstinence or adoption as viable options. i don't care if you cure cancer, stop STDs, and create world peace... you actively, as an organization advocate ending a life to create convenience and hide it behind "choice."
there's just no way that i can compartmentalize that part of their services away from the good that they do when there are viable other alternatives.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:42 pm to Wayne Campbell
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To borrow from WaltTeevens' earlier post:
Obamacare took care of all these issues so it sounds like PP isn't needed anymore since Women's Health isn't a problem.
I really wish they would just come out once and say "We support a woman's right to abort a fetus when she wants." I used fetus, because there's not a chance in hell they say child.
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