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re: Home fire sprinkler experiences? Updated OP

Posted on 5/22/16 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by learnthehardway
B.R./Northshore
Member since Oct 2007
10023 posts
Posted on 5/22/16 at 1:00 pm to
As a Louisiana licensed plumber and someone who sees sprinkler fitters install Comercial systems every day I don't see how this isn't regulated for residential applications. Seems like at very least a permit would need to be pulled.
Posted by Kajungee
South ,Section 6 Row N
Member since Mar 2004
17033 posts
Posted on 5/22/16 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

What do you mean when you say the coffee changes colors in Bunkie?


Sorry to hi jack this thread but,

Guessing you heard me say that somewhere before.

Many years ago I traveled to North La often, in the days before I-49, Hwy 71 was the typical route from around these parts. When we made that trip, you could always stop at Stelly's in Lebeau and get a good cup of coffee, a link of Boudin or bag of cracklins. But once you got to Bunkie, good luck finding any of that the rest of the way. So it became known to us the Bunkie was where things changed from South La. to North. Hence, Bunkie was a the dividing line to us and also the point where the coffee changed colors ( dark to light).

Now back to your regularly scheduled bullshite.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 5/22/16 at 1:09 pm to
IIRC, it is 75-80psi
quote:

learnthehardway
The parish even requires a permit for me to swap out a toilet. They can go frick themselves. I'm not trying to pay anyone else for something so simple. Perfect way for a $600 job to turn into a $2000 job
This post was edited on 5/22/16 at 1:11 pm
Posted by learnthehardway
B.R./Northshore
Member since Oct 2007
10023 posts
Posted on 5/22/16 at 1:15 pm to
So fire suppression systems being so "simple" is an acceptable place to cut corners in your home?
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 5/22/16 at 1:53 pm to
How is installing it myself cutting corners? Is there anywhere in this thread where I alluded to me cutting corners? I'm gonna use the exact same stuff a plumber would and install it exactly the same way. Only difference is that I'm not paying out the arse for other people to take care of it
Posted by learnthehardway
B.R./Northshore
Member since Oct 2007
10023 posts
Posted on 5/22/16 at 2:14 pm to
If you are confident and capable I'm sure it would be fine. A little research on residential systems would probably be worthwhile though.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:27 am to
6/1 update in OP
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:45 am to
quote:

if your house catches on fire it immediately belongs to the insurance company. Sprinkler systems are designed to save lives not property


Having seen what smoke damage from a minor contained stove fire can do to a house, my goal is to assure the safety of family and pets, then make sure the place burns to the ground.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30999 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:05 am to
Well I would prolly be the best or one of the best on here to answer this considering I am a licensed designer and inspector and have installed close to a hundred systems myself.

1) first like mentioned you have to look at this as strictly life saving, not property saving but your insurance will give you a break. But if you do this on your own DO NOT TELL THEM ABOUT THE SYSTEM!!! They will make you submit everything to the state.

2) second unless you apply to the state fire marshals office for a exemption letter, the system must be designed and submitted to the state for inspection for it to be legal and must be inspected every year by a licensed inspector. Cost for a residential inspection is going to be about $125 to 150 a year. Only a licensed fire sprinkler contractor can submit an exemption.

3) If you choose to go your own route, you need to know a few things

a) the ball valve installed must have a detector on it to be able to monitored in case somebody decides to turn it off.

b) all piping must be cpvc and must be designed for sprinkler systems. I suggest blazemaster. Anything other that steal or the CPVC will melt in the case of a fire.

c) make sure all your heads are concealed 155*(red bulb) quick response heads.

d) after you choose the heads you are going to use, you need to go on their website and get the chart that shows the spray distance based on the psi supplied. Now you will need to know your PSI there and do the math from NFPA 13R that shows how to calculate the losses in the piping. Once you figure out all this you can accurately predict the spray pattern and can space the heads accordingly.

E) it is very important that you install a flow switch and have it hooked to your alarm system so if you are not home and the system activates, somebody will respond.

F) DO not install over your stove. In the case of grease fire the last thing you want is water being sprayed in there. Look into commercial hood systems.

G) make sure you insulate the piping as mentioned above. It is required by code.

H) you will need two swing checks to be installed after the ball valve instead of a true back flow preventor.


this is just some of the things off the top of my head. Honestly the calculations are not the easiest in the world but for a small system like this it is doable for somebody that is good at math.


It is a very simple install and design. Should take no less than a day, two at the max. Make sure you teflon tape every screw connection and you use the correct glue for the pipe you chose. The concealed heads are reliable and usually do not leak if installed correctly. You will 100% have to get the head wrench from the company you get the heads from.


But truthfully you should just pay somebody to do this. I suggest S&S if you are in Lake Charles or BR, Excel in Laffy, Nola not sure.

LMK if you have any other questions and I will do my best to let you know.

Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:36 am to
You should pay someone. And expect to pay a lot. Sprinkler systems have to be permitted and inspected annually and the permitting requires an approved plan by a licensed contractor and both the design and materials have to meet standards. It's not as simple as running some PVC or PEX in your attic. In fact, you can't use those materials for the lines. Furthermore, you may not even have the water pressure to support it to begin with.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30999 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:39 am to
yep and unlike the state of Texas were the plans are reviewed by the local fire marshal, in Louisiana you have to submit to the state fire marshals office where a bunch of fire protection engineers and NICET level 4 designers pick the plan apart and all the required calculations apart.
Posted by JamalSanders
On a boat
Member since Jul 2015
12135 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:47 am to
quote:

It's technically required by code for residential construction. Louisiana just decided to throw that section out.




What code are you looking at? Because the International Fire Code doesn't require them for residential nor commercial office space nor most commercial food spaces.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30999 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:54 am to
Louisiana has adopted Nfpa 13 not 13r or 13d and that is what he is talking about. IFC is shite compared to Nfpa.
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