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Help me understand this Storm Surge map
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:27 pm
You can toggle between category 1-5 hurricanes and see how much standing water will be on the map. I understand this may be factoring worst case, direct hits. However, how on earth can a category 3 hurricane result in 6+ feet of storm surge to be on the edges of LSU campus? A cat 3 will also have 9+ feet of water on both sides of I10 the entire stretch from Prairieville to Nola. Am I looking at this correctly?
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This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:34 pm to TigerTatorTots
It's probably for a storm going right up the Mississippi. The surge gets funnelled into the river. Only thing that makes sense.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:40 pm to Duke
Ponchartrain to marapaus to BR. The i10 thing is correct. Not 9ft on the road. But it does get water
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:41 pm to TigerTatorTots
If the River Levees would have failed in New Orleans, the Mississippi would still be running through the city today. No stopping that amount of water flow
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:53 pm to TigerTatorTots
I would take the NOAA stuff wth a grain of salt. Their statistical methods are known to generate overly conservative estimates. A better place to look is the link below. You can even type in your address.
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:54 pm to NikeShox
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the River Levees would have failed in New Orleans, the Mississippi would still be running through the city today. No stopping that amount of water flow
If the levees failed further upstream however, the course of the river changes entirely (e.g. Old River Control).
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:55 pm to Duke
Storm surge can't be funneled up the Mississippi all the way to Baton Rouge. That's 100% and old bullshite wives tale.
It probably has something to do with rainfall and Maurepas storm surge and the Amite/Manchac/Fountain.
It probably has something to do with rainfall and Maurepas storm surge and the Amite/Manchac/Fountain.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:59 pm to TigerTatorTots
that is utter bullshite
it says a 3 will engulf LC in 9 feet of surge through i10
Rita was a strong 3 and didn't leave that sort of damage. the surge may have made its way to SLC, but nowhere near i10
it says a 3 will engulf LC in 9 feet of surge through i10
Rita was a strong 3 and didn't leave that sort of damage. the surge may have made its way to SLC, but nowhere near i10
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
Trump will blow up ALL the levee's
carnage
carnage
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yeah this map is fear mongering
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:24 pm to TigerTatorTots
I think you're right to think it's wrong, it is. The description seems totally inaccurate IMFO, as if they found the LIDAR but didn't know what it was.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:33 pm to TigerTatorTots
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:34 pm to Cosmo
Surge really doesn't travel upriver farther than roughly Nola...BUT...the river does rise in places as far upriver as BR because when the Gulf is elevated due to surge, the water coming from upriver has nowhere to go and piles up on itself. Carrollton gage has risen by ~14' in 24 hours during a storm.
-nerd alert-
Secondly, none of these maps reflect a single storm on a single track. They all employ the same basic idea: there is a relatively small historical record of hurricanes. So, a large amount of "synthetic" storms that are representative of the range of possible intensities and tracks are run
In computers. Then statistical analysis with fancy names such as Monte Carlo Analysis is performed where the distribution of affects across all storms at all locations is binned into what we would all call a 100 year storm, etc.
Another way to describe all that noise is this: you have a pair of dice. The historical record of dice rolls is only comprised of a few rolls, therefore, you really can't compute an accurate probability of roll results with that record. You then build a computer model to simulate hundreds and hundreds of rolls to build a synthetic set of results in a short time so you can then accurately assign probabilities to roll results.
Any one pixel on these maps represents a given probability of a certain set of results over a large sample of simulated events.
-end nerd alert-
-nerd alert-
Secondly, none of these maps reflect a single storm on a single track. They all employ the same basic idea: there is a relatively small historical record of hurricanes. So, a large amount of "synthetic" storms that are representative of the range of possible intensities and tracks are run
In computers. Then statistical analysis with fancy names such as Monte Carlo Analysis is performed where the distribution of affects across all storms at all locations is binned into what we would all call a 100 year storm, etc.
Another way to describe all that noise is this: you have a pair of dice. The historical record of dice rolls is only comprised of a few rolls, therefore, you really can't compute an accurate probability of roll results with that record. You then build a computer model to simulate hundreds and hundreds of rolls to build a synthetic set of results in a short time so you can then accurately assign probabilities to roll results.
Any one pixel on these maps represents a given probability of a certain set of results over a large sample of simulated events.
-end nerd alert-
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:36 pm to man in the stadium
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:37 pm to The Baker
Agreed but I am trying to dumb it down.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:37 pm to TigerTatorTots
I believe this map is a compilation of the worst case of all possible storm landfalls. They would issue a forecast map for the possible storm surge showing only the areas likely to be affected by an approaching storm, not every storm like this map does.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 3:47 am to TigerTatorTots
Note that a category 3 hurricane you mention could actually be pushing a category 5 storm surge, as the case with Katrina, because the categories are determined by continuous WIND speed at the time of LANDFALL rather than any measure of the water. In Katrina's case I believe at landfall it clocked sustained 127 mph (with gusts much higher), which gave it only a cat 3 designation. However, it was a HUGE storm with an eye which alone was 38 miles in diameter and which earlier was clocking sustained 175 mph and pushing a cat 5 storm surge. Where the eye struck in Plaquemines Parish the surge was measured at 30.4 feet deep, with wave action on top of that. Eyewitness accounts place water well over the tops of the backboards of the high school gymnasium.
Also I would imagine that the maps of projected water levels to which you refer may show the level any given location COULD receive should that particular location get the maximum possible hit, and NOT the levels which ALL locations would suffer.
Also I would imagine that the maps of projected water levels to which you refer may show the level any given location COULD receive should that particular location get the maximum possible hit, and NOT the levels which ALL locations would suffer.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 4:27 am to TigerTatorTots
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However, how on earth can a category 3 hurricane result in 6+ feet of storm surge to be on the edges of LSU campus
Don't think I believe that. A big enough storm in the exact right spot can wreck things as the surge backs up into the Amite basin, but 6' at the LSU campus definitely makes that map suspect.
We are definitely vulnerable in south Louisiana though.
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 4:29 am
Posted on 2/4/17 at 4:42 am to Duke
quote:nope, that doesn't make sense. That wouldn't happen.
It's probably for a storm going right up the Mississippi. The surge gets funnelled into the river. Only thing that makes sense.
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