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Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:46 am to baldona
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My dad had a female pilot he worked with in the Air Force with the call sign ‘Mounds
Go on
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cause almond joys have nuts and mounds don’t
Let down. I was hoping she had some hangerz
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 9:46 am
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:46 am to TH03
Maybe. That certainly was not a given.
His comparison was still retarded.
His comparison was still retarded.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:56 am to TheCaterpillar
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Her and her flight lead were scrambled to intercept flight 93 after they lost contact with the cockpit. Unfortunately they did not have time to arm the F-16 Vipers before they took off so the only course of action they had to bring it down was to ram the airliner's control surfaces with their wings and hope to have time to eject after impact. The passengers brought the plane down before they could intercept.
They definitely could've done this successfully and survived IMO.
She has said many times that they discussed it and they did not want to take a chance on the jet missing the plane and they would not have ejected.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:57 am to Salmon
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She took off knowing that her only option was to commit suicide.
but she didn't actually do it
we're assuming she goes through with it
if this pilot is a man, we don't really hear about this every year
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:58 am to finchmeister08
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can anyone in the military tell me why these jets wouldn't readily be loaded for instances like this or any other attack for that matter? what if a foreign country has decided to say, "that's enough of the the US, WE COMIN'". how are we not ready for something like that?
From the few stories I've read on this, before 9/11 the U.S. didn't have many armed jets on standby for that type of situation and on that day the jets that would normally be on standby were running drills over the ocean. That's why her jet was not armed.
Now IMO, why her superiors put any jet in a backup defense role and not have them armed and ready to go I don't understand, but I've never been in that position of authority so I can only assume they had a good reason.
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 9:59 am
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:58 am to UAinSOUTHAL
Yep.
Too many variables and the slight delay consideration of the ejection sequence would have resulted in a possible/likely miss.
Too many variables and the slight delay consideration of the ejection sequence would have resulted in a possible/likely miss.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:00 am to UAinSOUTHAL
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She has said many times that they discussed it and they did not want to take a chance on the jet missing the plane and they would not have ejected.
I take it back!
I feel like they could frick with the plane though like getting in front of it and burning the cockpit up or something before trying to kamikaze.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:02 am to NIH
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if this pilot is a man, we don't really hear about this every year
I've heard about Marc Sasseville. It's not like he is ignored in this.
LINK
He isn't a pretty blonde though, so a bunch of dudes on a sports message board are probably going to give the woman more attention.
Such is life.
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 10:04 am
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:04 am to Salmon
I don’t like how people like to call everyone a hero.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:05 am to TheCaterpillar
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She has said many times that they discussed it and they did not want to take a chance on the jet missing the plane and they would not have ejected.
I take it back!
I feel like they could frick with the plane though like getting in front of it and burning the cockpit up or something before trying to kamikaze.
You have to understand this plane was possibly headed to the White House or the Capitol building. It was chaos and we had very little info a hour into the attack. There was zero room for error and I believe they would have sacrificed themselves to prevent another hit in DC.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:06 am to TH03
Thank you for pointing that out...
You’re my hero.
You’re my hero.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:06 am to Nola3265
I am reluctant to post something political here, however, it was September 11, 2001, the Bush administration was only 7½ months in, and by most accounts was still finding its way with even the White House insiders still learning to work together. Read that article from Politico in that thread yesterday about Air Force One.
My point being, that, with the administration being still "young" and trying to find its way, having taken over from the Clinton administration who had likely drawn down some readiness as Democrat administrations like to do that. It's likely that new procedures for being armed at domestic installations hadn't been put in place.
Or, I could be speculating a bit too wildly, as well.
My point being, that, with the administration being still "young" and trying to find its way, having taken over from the Clinton administration who had likely drawn down some readiness as Democrat administrations like to do that. It's likely that new procedures for being armed at domestic installations hadn't been put in place.
Or, I could be speculating a bit too wildly, as well.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:07 am to TH03
That's fine. People define heros differently.
But I think taking off with no hesitation, believing that you were on a suicide mission is certainly an heroic action, no matter the outcome.
But I think taking off with no hesitation, believing that you were on a suicide mission is certainly an heroic action, no matter the outcome.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:09 am to Salmon
Maj.Heather Penney of D.C.Air National Guard-Her 9/11 Mission to Takeout Flight 93
Around 1:30 in she talked about taking out the tail if need be and thoughts on ejecting but ultimately deciding it would have been to risky to eject.
Also her call sign was "Lucky" not "Money"
Around 1:30 in she talked about taking out the tail if need be and thoughts on ejecting but ultimately deciding it would have been to risky to eject.
Also her call sign was "Lucky" not "Money"
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 10:12 am
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:10 am to DCtiger1
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These were American commercial airliners. You don’t think we’d notice some foreign military aircraft approaching US airspace?
The hijacking of Flight 93 took place at 9:28am, the crash took place at 10:03, a full hour after the second plane hit the WTC
I'm using the second plane as a metric because that was the moment where it was confirmed we were under attack.
I'm sorry but there should have been some sort of ready force that could be armed and sortied in that time.
Even more:
The pentagon attack took place at 9:37am, the aircraft was hijacked around 8:50am (the last moment the transponder and all communication was cut off). That means we knew there was a hijacked aircraft flying around DC for 40 minutes prior to it hitting the pentagon. One could argue that should have been enough time to get something in the air to defend strategic targets.
9/11 exposed several flaws in the way the FAA and military communicated. The military was way too slow IMO
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:12 am to TheCaterpillar
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like getting in front of it and burning the cockpit up or something
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:12 am to Tigeralum2008
The military has a term for that... lessons learned.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:14 am to Tigeralum2008
quote:You couldn't get the munitions from the MSA to the flight line in 40 minutes.
That means we knew there was a hijacked aircraft flying around DC for 40 minutes prior to it hitting the pentagon. One could argue that should have been enough time to get something in the air to defend strategic targets
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:15 am to Tigeralum2008
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That means we knew there was a hijacked aircraft flying around DC for 40 minutes prior to it hitting the pentagon.
It was flying from Ohio to the pentagon after being hijacked. It never went back into DC.
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