re: Having Gun Discussion On Facebook W/ A Friend

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It's not a cross section of the country. It's per capita so it is actually an adjusted number for the entire population of the countries so you DO get a comparable number.

Mexico is ethnically homogenous (like Italy) and has a higher crime rate than the U.S. Your logic doesn't hold up.


I'm saying the entire comparison is asinine regardless of the country picked.

Italy is basically 100% white Italian people.

America is about white 79.96%, black 12.85%, Asian 4.43%, Amerindian and Alaska native 0.97%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.18%, two or more races 1.61% (July 2007 estimate).

That white number includes all Hispanics as well as all other white immigrants from other countries and backgrounds.

Comparing the two countries is stupid. Especially comparing them trying to make a point choosing one single thing with no explanation or discussion about the differing causes and problems with the single statistic chosen.

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Perhaps you'd like some statistics in gun violence segregated by first world countries? Segregated by ethnicities? Segregated by socioeconomic circumstances? How gun violence perpetuates poverty? How much more likely you are to accidentally shoot yourself or someone else than you are to use it in self defense? How people with guns in the home are more likely to be involved in homocide than gun less homes? About how for every 1 justified death, there are 44 unjustified? Or how about in top 25 income countries, America has the highest adjusted rate of firearm deaths? How about the fact the amount of children under the of 15 who die from guns in this country is 12 times higher than the other 24 combined.


All these studies exist if you're willing to do the research. To act as if this country doesn't have a gun problem because the NRA has brainwashed you into believing you're safer with them... Go ahead, be a sheep.

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The population of the United states is about 309 million people.

The populations of Germany, France, Spain, Italy, and the entire United Kingdom combined is 320 million.

No shite we have more murders. We also have more people, money, wealth, and power. Eat it Euotrash.

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This is moronic.

They broke it down per 100k people.

I don't really have a solid, informed opinion on this topic, but at least I can read statistics properly.

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Perhaps you'd like some statistics in gun violence segregated by first world countries? Segregated by ethnicities? Segregated by socioeconomic circumstances? How gun violence perpetuates poverty? How much more likely you are to accidentally shoot yourself or someone else than you are to use it in self defense? How people with guns in the home are more likely to be involved in homocide than gun less homes? About how for every justified deaths, there are 44 unjustified? Or how about in top 25 income countries, America has the highest adjusted rate of firearm deaths? How about the fact the amount of children under the of 15 who die from guns in this country is 12 times higher than the other 24 combined.

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I'd like to see everyone of these statistics, yes.

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All these studies exist if you're willing to do the research.

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The person making the original point can do the research. He's the one trying the make a point. As are you.

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To act as if this country doesn't have a gun problem because the NRA has brainwashed you into believing you're safer with them... Go ahead, be a sheep.

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You will never be able to convince me that a responsible lifelong gun owner is safer without a gun, unless guns and criminals no longer exist.

I've been shooting guns as long as I can remember, as have my dad and grandfather. They taught me from a young age that it's not a toy.

If someone breaks into my house, I'll grab my gun and we'll see what happens. But if what stands between a criminal piece of shite and my family is a bullet and my life I'll give the criminal one or both before he gets to my family.

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We should start institutionalizing the mentally ill instead of feeding them pills and waiting for them to explode.

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We need to stop "institutionalizing" people for victimless crimes too. It just ruins their life completely and leads them to be pieces of shite after prison because they have no other options.

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i.e. prison

Yea the criminals are just walking into bass pro and wal-mart and buying guns. Are you serious? No they are stealing them and obtaining them by illegal ways. The only thing your plan would do is make it harder on law abiding gun owners to buy firearms.

Here's the one on children:
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Here's the some on likelihood of an accident over defending yourself:
Arthur L. Kellerman et al., Injuries and Deaths Due to Firearms in the Home, 45 J. Trauma 263, 263, 266

Linda L. Dahlberg et al., Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study, 160 Am. J. Epidemiology 929, 935

Here's where you can find more:
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I've obviously done my research. You should do yours so you can form your own opinion instead of letting your rationality and logic be overrun by emotions and what your father and grandfather taught you.

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Oh goody, the old Arthur Kellermann bullshite. Take it you never read the actual study or looked at the data and peer critiques of it did you? So what is important about the 1:44 ratio? Do you think a valid DGU means someone had to die? For everyone one justifiable homicide there are hundreds justifiably wounded and thousands where nobody was wounded or a shot was never fired. Did you look at those studies. Here's a pro tip: don't waste time citing bullshite from Kellermann, Hemennway, Miller, VPC, Brady Campaign, CSGV, or any group that receives funding from the Joyce Foundation. Confirmation bias is pretty much the rule when citing those that do research supporting gun-control laws are also in the business of lobbying for gun-control policies.

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Who should the funding come from for unbiased studies?

The NRA?

Kates, Mauser, Kleck, Lott? You haven't even scratched the surface kid. Citing the same Kellermann who had to take back much of what he published due to flaws in that particular study?

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We reviewed the police, medical examiner, emergency medical service, emergency department, and hospital records of all fatal and nonfatal shootings in three U.S. cities: Memphis, Tennessee; Seattle, Washington; and Galveston, Texas.

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Originally something like 22 times more likely to be injured by a gun in the home rather than in self defense, then 2.7x, and now largely disregarded by most academics in that field. Notice that was only a 12 month study during a national peak in gun-related homicides. We are way lower now and there are millions of more guns in homes than there were 20 years ago.

You notice that the NRA doesn't publish studies? Funny how gun-control groups have to cook up their own research. But then I look at the low-wattage types that cite them.

There are A LOT more places with worse murder rates than America

Maybe he'll mention something about Chicago and DC to you, and you'll learn your lesson